Re: Not an argument at all - John Kotches

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Topic - ZS KEKL, Frank and Non-A have you guys heard any Audiophile DVD-Audio's? - Teresa 17:18:39 02/12/05 (127)

Guess this old fuddy-duddy is losing enthusiasm for hi-rez Multichannel. - oscar 18:08:29 02/14/05 (0)

Re: The Teresa crusade continues, this time it's DualDisc - John Kotches 08:50:44 02/13/05 (20)

I still consider Vinyl the highest resolution. SACD from Analog or DSD masters a close second, 192kHz 24 Bit after that - Teresa 15:44:03 02/15/05 (1)

Re: I still consider Vinyl the highest resolution. SACD from Analog or DSD masters a close second, 192kHz 24 Bit after - John Kotches 14:32:39 02/17/05 (0)

Re: The Teresa crusade continues, this time it's DualDisc - manicm 05:54:00 02/15/05 (6)

Re: The Teresa crusade continues, this time it's DualDisc - John Kotches 06:45:27 02/15/05 (5)

Weight is not the issue - racerguy 14:01:26 02/15/05 (2)

Re: Weight is not the issue - John Kotches 14:16:54 02/15/05 (1)

No - racerguy 15:50:43 02/15/05 (0)

Re: The Teresa crusade continues, this time it's DualDisc - manicm 07:03:43 02/15/05 (1)

Re: The Teresa crusade continues, this time it's DualDisc - John Kotches 11:57:57 02/15/05 (0)

John! Which REM disc is 24/96!??! - Michi 09:27:25 02/13/05 (10)

Re: Double Discs, not Dual Discs. More Info... - NotMe 12:25:41 02/13/05 (3)

DVD-A player needed for best stereo sound on new REM? - Jay F 06:36:51 02/15/05 (1)

You'll need a DVD-A player to get the hi-rez mixes. - Michi 09:42:59 02/15/05 (0)

Re: Double Discs, not Dual Discs. More Info... - John Kotches 13:44:57 02/13/05 (0)

Doh! - John Kotches 11:10:02 02/13/05 (5)

Nonetheless, John- - Michi 13:26:59 02/13/05 (2)

Nevermind, saw them. Some in 192/24!! - Michi 13:40:04 02/13/05 (1)

Re: Nevermind, saw them. Some in 192/24!! - John Kotches 13:51:53 02/13/05 (0)

Re: Doh! - Martin419 12:58:52 02/13/05 (1)

Re: Doh! - John Kotches 13:45:57 02/13/05 (0)

Teresa, 99.875% of people on this forum have Audiophiles discs, what qualifies as "Hi-rez"... - NonA. 07:44:57 02/13/05 (3)

"2^2=8 about 10" - Stephen 23:24:28 02/13/05 (2)

Yo, the premier SACD shill is posting! - NonA. 06:20:37 02/14/05 (1)

Actually, two squared is four, not eight;nt - Pacman 14:53:40 02/15/05 (0)

Re: ZS KEKL, Frank and Non-A have you guys heard any Audiophile DVD-Audio's? - Frank.. 06:08:41 02/13/05 (98)

so why have I yet to hear a good sound DVD-Audio or SACD from a 48kHz 24 Bit Master? - Teresa 21:00:28 02/15/05 (13)

Your equipment... - Frank.. 06:01:47 02/16/05 (12)

If 96kHz and 192kHz sounds more revealing and realistic than 48kHz - Teresa 10:10:20 02/16/05 (11)

No. - Frank.. 13:50:34 02/16/05 (10)

Sorry Frank I do not want equipment that CLOUDS OVER my 96kHz and 192kHz DVD-As to make them sound as poor as 48kHz - Teresa 14:28:19 02/16/05 (9)

Your system doing a poor job on the lower sample rates. - Frank.. 01:01:18 02/17/05 (1)

Not so and my "mind set" is based on how DVD-Audio's and SACDs from 24 Bit 48kHz Masters actually sound. - Teresa 09:05:12 02/17/05 (0)

Higher sample rate is no guarantee of superior sound - unaffiliated 15:16:10 02/16/05 (6)

Yes but 48kHz software is a guarantee of inferior sound (nt) - Teresa 20:18:03 02/16/05 (5)

A completely inaccurate statement, but not unexpected (nt) - unaffiliated 06:55:47 02/17/05 (4)

Shh! You might wake up "The Sound Guy" - Christine Tham 15:36:29 02/17/05 (0)

Inaccurate how? It has held TRUE with every 24/48kHz Master I've heard from either DVD-Audio or SACD - Teresa 08:56:43 02/17/05 (2)

Re: Inaccurate how? It has held TRUE with every 24/48kHz Master I've heard from either DVD-Audio or SACD - unaffiliated 09:42:16 02/17/05 (1)

Re: Youre up against delusions now! - navman 15:21:58 02/17/05 (0)

Re: ZS KEKL, Frank and Non-A have you guys heard any Audiophile DVD-Audio's? - navman 08:17:32 02/13/05 (83)

Re: ZS KEKL, Frank and Non-A have you guys heard any Audiophile DVD-Audio's? - John Kotches 08:54:50 02/13/05 (82)

Re: Not an argument at all - navman 09:24:17 02/13/05 (81)

Re: Not an argument at all - John Kotches 13:49:15 02/13/05 (80)

Thanks - navman 14:07:23 02/13/05 (79)

you should - tunenut 17:32:41 02/13/05 (78)

Re: you should - Frank... 23:53:03 02/13/05 (34)

if this explanation were correct - tunenut 11:14:51 02/14/05 (32)

Re: if this explanation were correct - Frank.. 13:21:58 02/14/05 (5)

don't generalise the possible into "always" - Christine Tham 13:31:38 02/14/05 (4)

Re: don't generalise the possible into "always" - Frank.. 13:48:38 02/14/05 (3)

"The signal from a straight master is always processed prior to cutting the disc" - High-end Dreamer 10:58:19 02/20/05 (0)

No. "Always" is incorrect - racerguy 14:06:34 02/14/05 (1)

Re: No. "Always" is incorrect - GS007 23:50:25 02/17/05 (0)

not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - Christine Tham 11:56:52 02/14/05 (25)

What you say is very true... - NonA. 13:38:08 02/14/05 (0)

Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - Frank.. 13:06:00 02/14/05 (3)

It is only valid for pivoted arms. - Penguin 14:59:15 02/14/05 (2)

Re: It is only valid for pivoted arms. - Frank.. 07:24:43 02/15/05 (1)

DO your research and come back when you are done... - Penguin 15:48:46 02/15/05 (0)

Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - unaffiliated 12:47:32 02/14/05 (4)

Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - Christine Tham 13:20:33 02/14/05 (3)

Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - unaffiliated 14:47:59 02/14/05 (2)

Do some research - Penguin 20:35:23 02/14/05 (1)

Should not write without a spell checker (nt). - Penguin 21:00:38 02/14/05 (0)

too much ink already spilled - tunenut 12:47:07 02/14/05 (14)

So much for Joe Harley... - Frank.. 13:33:38 02/14/05 (13)

here's the link - tunenut 13:41:50 02/14/05 (5)

Thanks... - Frank.. 14:00:48 02/14/05 (4)

there is a guy on vinyl asylum - tunenut 17:45:02 02/15/05 (3)

Re: there is a guy on vinyl asylum - Frank.. 00:01:41 02/16/05 (1)

no - tunenut 08:51:10 02/16/05 (0)

I have quite a few of John Elison's recordings ... - Christine Tham 22:18:07 02/15/05 (0)

i agree with you ... - Christine Tham 13:40:11 02/14/05 (6)

Re: i agree with you ... - manicm 04:43:15 02/15/05 (0)

Re: i agree with you ... - racerguy 13:52:41 02/14/05 (3)

any details? (nt) - Christine Tham 21:54:06 02/14/05 (2)

Yes - racerguy 15:59:48 02/15/05 (1)

i've played with these, but they are not what i meant ... - Christine Tham 16:51:43 02/15/05 (1)

Vinyl sound emulator... - Frank.. 13:52:41 02/14/05 (0)

good stuff, thanks. nt - NonA. 06:36:17 02/14/05 (0)

No turntable yet...still in the planing phase - navman 17:56:51 02/13/05 (42)

Re: No turntable yet...still in the planing phase - unaffiliated 05:50:57 02/14/05 (41)

bits aint bits - Christine Tham 12:10:52 02/14/05 (32)

Faulty logic - Max 15:43:41 02/14/05 (26)

Re: Faulty logic - Christine Tham 20:52:26 02/14/05 (25)

Re: Faulty logic - Max 22:21:22 02/14/05 (24)

well, i have actually made some comparisons ... - Christine Tham 23:07:50 02/14/05 (23)

Re: well, i have actually made some comparisons ... - Max 02:04:50 02/15/05 (22)

in other words, you had no basis for saying that i had "faulty logic" - Christine Tham 00:09:03 02/16/05 (21)

Re: in other words, you had no basis for saying that i had "faulty logic" - Max 02:48:28 02/16/05 (20)

Re: in other words, you had no basis for saying that i had "faulty logic" - Christine Tham 11:29:17 02/16/05 (19)

Dither/truncation - Max 16:50:39 02/18/05 (16)

Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Teresa 01:48:38 02/19/05 (12)

Re: Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Christine Tham 02:54:35 02/19/05 (11)

Re: Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Max 04:31:19 02/19/05 (10)

Re: Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Christine Tham 11:25:19 02/19/05 (9)

I did what you asked - Max 15:13:15 02/19/05 (8)

Re: I did what you asked - Christine Tham 22:38:46 02/20/05 (7)

Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Max 06:25:43 02/21/05 (6)

Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Christine Tham 13:01:40 02/21/05 (5)

Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Max 14:59:37 02/21/05 (4)

Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Christine Tham 23:54:15 02/21/05 (3)

Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Max 05:01:07 02/22/05 (2)

still waiting for the validated double blind tests - Christine Tham 12:40:21 02/23/05 (1)

some explanation to help you understand why your point about "boosting" is invalid - Christine Tham 18:38:03 02/23/05 (0)

like i said - go and understand how a sigma delta ADC works - Christine Tham 23:09:46 02/18/05 (2)

Re: like i said - go and understand how a sigma delta ADC works - Max 04:14:37 02/19/05 (1)

for the final time, go and do research before posting further (nt) - Christine Tham 11:08:42 02/19/05 (0)

Noise does not add? - Max 16:36:25 02/18/05 (1)

Not significantly: -80dB + -96dB = -79.9dB (not audible) (nt) - Christine Tham 22:59:58 02/18/05 (0)

Re: bits aint bits - Frank.. 14:28:30 02/14/05 (0)

Re: bits aint bits - unaffiliated 12:49:29 02/14/05 (3)

Re: bits aint bits - Christine Tham 13:11:52 02/14/05 (2)

Interesting... - unaffiliated 15:33:06 02/14/05 (1)

No big whoop in the critical range of... - Penguin 20:50:25 02/14/05 (0)

Ive read somewhere actual dynamic range on CD and most if not all format are set to about 20dB at most? nt - NonA. 06:38:44 02/14/05 (7)

Re: Ive read somewhere actual dynamic range on CD and most if not all format are set to about 20dB at most? nt - unaffiliated 07:21:48 02/14/05 (6)

Dynamic range - racerguy 11:39:26 02/14/05 (5)

i think there is some confusion here ... - Christine Tham 11:49:46 02/14/05 (4)

There may be... - racerguy 13:43:14 02/14/05 (2)

Re: There may be... - Frank.. 14:09:37 02/14/05 (1)

Not so - racerguy 14:48:10 02/14/05 (0)

sorry, i meant to say difference between min and max RMS - Christine Tham 11:59:35 02/14/05 (0)

Re: Do you have a link to the Pete Townshend - navman 19:45:18 02/12/05 (1)

I just ordered these - navman 20:02:24 02/12/05 (0)

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Re: Not an argument at all - John Kotches 13:49:15 02/13/05 (80)

Thanks - navman 14:07:23 02/13/05 (79)

you should - tunenut 17:32:41 02/13/05 (78)

Re: you should - Frank... 23:53:03 02/13/05 (34)

if this explanation were correct - tunenut 11:14:51 02/14/05 (32)

Re: if this explanation were correct - Frank.. 13:21:58 02/14/05 (5)

don't generalise the possible into "always" - Christine Tham 13:31:38 02/14/05 (4)

Re: don't generalise the possible into "always" - Frank.. 13:48:38 02/14/05 (3)

"The signal from a straight master is always processed prior to cutting the disc" - High-end Dreamer 10:58:19 02/20/05 (0)

No. "Always" is incorrect - racerguy 14:06:34 02/14/05 (1)

Re: No. "Always" is incorrect - GS007 23:50:25 02/17/05 (0)

not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - Christine Tham 11:56:52 02/14/05 (25)

What you say is very true... - NonA. 13:38:08 02/14/05 (0)

Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - Frank.. 13:06:00 02/14/05 (3)

It is only valid for pivoted arms. - Penguin 14:59:15 02/14/05 (2)

Re: It is only valid for pivoted arms. - Frank.. 07:24:43 02/15/05 (1)

DO your research and come back when you are done... - Penguin 15:48:46 02/15/05 (0)

Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - unaffiliated 12:47:32 02/14/05 (4)

Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - Christine Tham 13:20:33 02/14/05 (3)

Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - unaffiliated 14:47:59 02/14/05 (2)

Do some research - Penguin 20:35:23 02/14/05 (1)

Should not write without a spell checker (nt). - Penguin 21:00:38 02/14/05 (0)

too much ink already spilled - tunenut 12:47:07 02/14/05 (14)

So much for Joe Harley... - Frank.. 13:33:38 02/14/05 (13)

here's the link - tunenut 13:41:50 02/14/05 (5)

Thanks... - Frank.. 14:00:48 02/14/05 (4)

there is a guy on vinyl asylum - tunenut 17:45:02 02/15/05 (3)

Re: there is a guy on vinyl asylum - Frank.. 00:01:41 02/16/05 (1)

no - tunenut 08:51:10 02/16/05 (0)

I have quite a few of John Elison's recordings ... - Christine Tham 22:18:07 02/15/05 (0)

i agree with you ... - Christine Tham 13:40:11 02/14/05 (6)

Re: i agree with you ... - manicm 04:43:15 02/15/05 (0)

Re: i agree with you ... - racerguy 13:52:41 02/14/05 (3)

any details? (nt) - Christine Tham 21:54:06 02/14/05 (2)

Yes - racerguy 15:59:48 02/15/05 (1)

i've played with these, but they are not what i meant ... - Christine Tham 16:51:43 02/15/05 (1)

Vinyl sound emulator... - Frank.. 13:52:41 02/14/05 (0)

good stuff, thanks. nt - NonA. 06:36:17 02/14/05 (0)

No turntable yet...still in the planing phase - navman 17:56:51 02/13/05 (42)

Re: No turntable yet...still in the planing phase - unaffiliated 05:50:57 02/14/05 (41)

bits aint bits - Christine Tham 12:10:52 02/14/05 (32)

Faulty logic - Max 15:43:41 02/14/05 (26)

Re: Faulty logic - Christine Tham 20:52:26 02/14/05 (25)

Re: Faulty logic - Max 22:21:22 02/14/05 (24)

well, i have actually made some comparisons ... - Christine Tham 23:07:50 02/14/05 (23)

Re: well, i have actually made some comparisons ... - Max 02:04:50 02/15/05 (22)

in other words, you had no basis for saying that i had "faulty logic" - Christine Tham 00:09:03 02/16/05 (21)

Re: in other words, you had no basis for saying that i had "faulty logic" - Max 02:48:28 02/16/05 (20)

Re: in other words, you had no basis for saying that i had "faulty logic" - Christine Tham 11:29:17 02/16/05 (19)

Dither/truncation - Max 16:50:39 02/18/05 (16)

Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Teresa 01:48:38 02/19/05 (12)

Re: Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Christine Tham 02:54:35 02/19/05 (11)

Re: Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Max 04:31:19 02/19/05 (10)

Re: Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Christine Tham 11:25:19 02/19/05 (9)

I did what you asked - Max 15:13:15 02/19/05 (8)

Re: I did what you asked - Christine Tham 22:38:46 02/20/05 (7)

Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Max 06:25:43 02/21/05 (6)

Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Christine Tham 13:01:40 02/21/05 (5)

Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Max 14:59:37 02/21/05 (4)

Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Christine Tham 23:54:15 02/21/05 (3)

Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Max 05:01:07 02/22/05 (2)

still waiting for the validated double blind tests - Christine Tham 12:40:21 02/23/05 (1)

some explanation to help you understand why your point about "boosting" is invalid - Christine Tham 18:38:03 02/23/05 (0)

like i said - go and understand how a sigma delta ADC works - Christine Tham 23:09:46 02/18/05 (2)

Re: like i said - go and understand how a sigma delta ADC works - Max 04:14:37 02/19/05 (1)

for the final time, go and do research before posting further (nt) - Christine Tham 11:08:42 02/19/05 (0)

Noise does not add? - Max 16:36:25 02/18/05 (1)

Not significantly: -80dB + -96dB = -79.9dB (not audible) (nt) - Christine Tham 22:59:58 02/18/05 (0)

Re: bits aint bits - Frank.. 14:28:30 02/14/05 (0)

Re: bits aint bits - unaffiliated 12:49:29 02/14/05 (3)

Re: bits aint bits - Christine Tham 13:11:52 02/14/05 (2)

Interesting... - unaffiliated 15:33:06 02/14/05 (1)

No big whoop in the critical range of... - Penguin 20:50:25 02/14/05 (0)

Ive read somewhere actual dynamic range on CD and most if not all format are set to about 20dB at most? nt - NonA. 06:38:44 02/14/05 (7)

Re: Ive read somewhere actual dynamic range on CD and most if not all format are set to about 20dB at most? nt - unaffiliated 07:21:48 02/14/05 (6)

Dynamic range - racerguy 11:39:26 02/14/05 (5)

i think there is some confusion here ... - Christine Tham 11:49:46 02/14/05 (4)

There may be... - racerguy 13:43:14 02/14/05 (2)

Re: There may be... - Frank.. 14:09:37 02/14/05 (1)

Not so - racerguy 14:48:10 02/14/05 (0)

sorry, i meant to say difference between min and max RMS - Christine Tham 11:59:35 02/14/05 (0)