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In Reply to: Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... posted by Christine Tham on February 14, 2005 at 13:20:33:
I'm not trying to dismiss the shortcomings of digital recording and playback. I'm interested to know what kind of distortion is caused by the cutterhead in the making of an LP lacquer (or metal master).It seems to me that it would be a very difficult task to take an analog waveform and translate that into mechanical movement, both horizontally and vertically over four frequency decades. It's no simple task to make a dynamic loudspeaker driver that operates at low distortion over its frequency range, and I would think that a cutterhead would be even more difficult since it has to accomplish the same task but with translation in two axes rather than one.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - ZS KEKL, Frank and Non-A have you guys heard any Audiophile DVD-Audio's? - Teresa 17:18:39 02/12/05 (127)
- Guess this old fuddy-duddy is losing enthusiasm for hi-rez Multichannel. - oscar 18:08:29 02/14/05 (0)
- Re: The Teresa crusade continues, this time it's DualDisc - John Kotches 08:50:44 02/13/05 (20)
- I still consider Vinyl the highest resolution. SACD from Analog or DSD masters a close second, 192kHz 24 Bit after that - Teresa 15:44:03 02/15/05 (1)
- Re: I still consider Vinyl the highest resolution. SACD from Analog or DSD masters a close second, 192kHz 24 Bit after - John Kotches 14:32:39 02/17/05 (0)
- Re: The Teresa crusade continues, this time it's DualDisc - manicm 05:54:00 02/15/05 (6)
- Re: The Teresa crusade continues, this time it's DualDisc - John Kotches 06:45:27 02/15/05 (5)
- Weight is not the issue - racerguy 14:01:26 02/15/05 (2)
- Re: Weight is not the issue - John Kotches 14:16:54 02/15/05 (1)
- No - racerguy 15:50:43 02/15/05 (0)
- Re: The Teresa crusade continues, this time it's DualDisc - manicm 07:03:43 02/15/05 (1)
- Re: The Teresa crusade continues, this time it's DualDisc - John Kotches 11:57:57 02/15/05 (0)
- John! Which REM disc is 24/96!??! - Michi 09:27:25 02/13/05 (10)
- Re: Double Discs, not Dual Discs. More Info... - NotMe 12:25:41 02/13/05 (3)
- DVD-A player needed for best stereo sound on new REM? - Jay F 06:36:51 02/15/05 (1)
- You'll need a DVD-A player to get the hi-rez mixes. - Michi 09:42:59 02/15/05 (0)
- Re: Double Discs, not Dual Discs. More Info... - John Kotches 13:44:57 02/13/05 (0)
- Doh! - John Kotches 11:10:02 02/13/05 (5)
- Nonetheless, John- - Michi 13:26:59 02/13/05 (2)
- Nevermind, saw them. Some in 192/24!! - Michi 13:40:04 02/13/05 (1)
- Re: Nevermind, saw them. Some in 192/24!! - John Kotches 13:51:53 02/13/05 (0)
- Re: Doh! - Martin419 12:58:52 02/13/05 (1)
- Re: Doh! - John Kotches 13:45:57 02/13/05 (0)
- Teresa, 99.875% of people on this forum have Audiophiles discs, what qualifies as "Hi-rez"... - NonA. 07:44:57 02/13/05 (3)
- "2^2=8 about 10" - Stephen 23:24:28 02/13/05 (2)
- Yo, the premier SACD shill is posting! - NonA. 06:20:37 02/14/05 (1)
- Actually, two squared is four, not eight;nt - Pacman 14:53:40 02/15/05 (0)
- Re: ZS KEKL, Frank and Non-A have you guys heard any Audiophile DVD-Audio's? - Frank.. 06:08:41 02/13/05 (98)
- so why have I yet to hear a good sound DVD-Audio or SACD from a 48kHz 24 Bit Master? - Teresa 21:00:28 02/15/05 (13)
- Your equipment... - Frank.. 06:01:47 02/16/05 (12)
- If 96kHz and 192kHz sounds more revealing and realistic than 48kHz - Teresa 10:10:20 02/16/05 (11)
- No. - Frank.. 13:50:34 02/16/05 (10)
- Sorry Frank I do not want equipment that CLOUDS OVER my 96kHz and 192kHz DVD-As to make them sound as poor as 48kHz - Teresa 14:28:19 02/16/05 (9)
- Your system doing a poor job on the lower sample rates. - Frank.. 01:01:18 02/17/05 (1)
- Not so and my "mind set" is based on how DVD-Audio's and SACDs from 24 Bit 48kHz Masters actually sound. - Teresa 09:05:12 02/17/05 (0)
- Higher sample rate is no guarantee of superior sound - unaffiliated 15:16:10 02/16/05 (6)
- Yes but 48kHz software is a guarantee of inferior sound (nt) - Teresa 20:18:03 02/16/05 (5)
- A completely inaccurate statement, but not unexpected (nt) - unaffiliated 06:55:47 02/17/05 (4)
- Shh! You might wake up "The Sound Guy" - Christine Tham 15:36:29 02/17/05 (0)
- Inaccurate how? It has held TRUE with every 24/48kHz Master I've heard from either DVD-Audio or SACD - Teresa 08:56:43 02/17/05 (2)
- Re: Inaccurate how? It has held TRUE with every 24/48kHz Master I've heard from either DVD-Audio or SACD - unaffiliated 09:42:16 02/17/05 (1)
- Re: Youre up against delusions now! - navman 15:21:58 02/17/05 (0)
- Re: ZS KEKL, Frank and Non-A have you guys heard any Audiophile DVD-Audio's? - navman 08:17:32 02/13/05 (83)
- Re: ZS KEKL, Frank and Non-A have you guys heard any Audiophile DVD-Audio's? - John Kotches 08:54:50 02/13/05 (82)
- Re: Not an argument at all - navman 09:24:17 02/13/05 (81)
- Re: Not an argument at all - John Kotches 13:49:15 02/13/05 (80)
- Thanks - navman 14:07:23 02/13/05 (79)
- you should - tunenut 17:32:41 02/13/05 (78)
- Re: you should - Frank... 23:53:03 02/13/05 (34)
- if this explanation were correct - tunenut 11:14:51 02/14/05 (32)
- Re: if this explanation were correct - Frank.. 13:21:58 02/14/05 (5)
- don't generalise the possible into "always" - Christine Tham 13:31:38 02/14/05 (4)
- Re: don't generalise the possible into "always" - Frank.. 13:48:38 02/14/05 (3)
- "The signal from a straight master is always processed prior to cutting the disc" - High-end Dreamer 10:58:19 02/20/05 (0)
- No. "Always" is incorrect - racerguy 14:06:34 02/14/05 (1)
- Re: No. "Always" is incorrect - GS007 23:50:25 02/17/05 (0)
- not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - Christine Tham 11:56:52 02/14/05 (25)
- What you say is very true... - NonA. 13:38:08 02/14/05 (0)
- Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - Frank.. 13:06:00 02/14/05 (3)
- It is only valid for pivoted arms. - Penguin 14:59:15 02/14/05 (2)
- Re: It is only valid for pivoted arms. - Frank.. 07:24:43 02/15/05 (1)
- DO your research and come back when you are done... - Penguin 15:48:46 02/15/05 (0)
- Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - unaffiliated 12:47:32 02/14/05 (4)
- Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - Christine Tham 13:20:33 02/14/05 (3)
- Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - unaffiliated 14:47:59 02/14/05 (2)
- Do some research - Penguin 20:35:23 02/14/05 (1)
- Should not write without a spell checker (nt). - Penguin 21:00:38 02/14/05 (0)
- too much ink already spilled - tunenut 12:47:07 02/14/05 (14)
- So much for Joe Harley... - Frank.. 13:33:38 02/14/05 (13)
- here's the link - tunenut 13:41:50 02/14/05 (5)
- Thanks... - Frank.. 14:00:48 02/14/05 (4)
- there is a guy on vinyl asylum - tunenut 17:45:02 02/15/05 (3)
- Re: there is a guy on vinyl asylum - Frank.. 00:01:41 02/16/05 (1)
- no - tunenut 08:51:10 02/16/05 (0)
- I have quite a few of John Elison's recordings ... - Christine Tham 22:18:07 02/15/05 (0)
- i agree with you ... - Christine Tham 13:40:11 02/14/05 (6)
- Re: i agree with you ... - manicm 04:43:15 02/15/05 (0)
- Re: i agree with you ... - racerguy 13:52:41 02/14/05 (3)
- any details? (nt) - Christine Tham 21:54:06 02/14/05 (2)
- Yes - racerguy 15:59:48 02/15/05 (1)
- i've played with these, but they are not what i meant ... - Christine Tham 16:51:43 02/15/05 (1)
- Vinyl sound emulator... - Frank.. 13:52:41 02/14/05 (0)
- good stuff, thanks. nt - NonA. 06:36:17 02/14/05 (0)
- No turntable yet...still in the planing phase - navman 17:56:51 02/13/05 (42)
- Re: No turntable yet...still in the planing phase - unaffiliated 05:50:57 02/14/05 (41)
- bits aint bits - Christine Tham 12:10:52 02/14/05 (32)
- Faulty logic - Max 15:43:41 02/14/05 (26)
- Re: Faulty logic - Christine Tham 20:52:26 02/14/05 (25)
- Re: Faulty logic - Max 22:21:22 02/14/05 (24)
- well, i have actually made some comparisons ... - Christine Tham 23:07:50 02/14/05 (23)
- Re: well, i have actually made some comparisons ... - Max 02:04:50 02/15/05 (22)
- in other words, you had no basis for saying that i had "faulty logic" - Christine Tham 00:09:03 02/16/05 (21)
- Re: in other words, you had no basis for saying that i had "faulty logic" - Max 02:48:28 02/16/05 (20)
- Re: in other words, you had no basis for saying that i had "faulty logic" - Christine Tham 11:29:17 02/16/05 (19)
- Dither/truncation - Max 16:50:39 02/18/05 (16)
- Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Teresa 01:48:38 02/19/05 (12)
- Re: Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Christine Tham 02:54:35 02/19/05 (11)
- Re: Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Max 04:31:19 02/19/05 (10)
- Re: Isn't Dither "analog" like noise added at low levels to "smooth" out the signal to make PCM listenable? - Christine Tham 11:25:19 02/19/05 (9)
- I did what you asked - Max 15:13:15 02/19/05 (8)
- Re: I did what you asked - Christine Tham 22:38:46 02/20/05 (7)
- Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Max 06:25:43 02/21/05 (6)
- Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Christine Tham 13:01:40 02/21/05 (5)
- Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Max 14:59:37 02/21/05 (4)
- Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Christine Tham 23:54:15 02/21/05 (3)
- Re: Coming closer to agreement, maybe - Max 05:01:07 02/22/05 (2)
- still waiting for the validated double blind tests - Christine Tham 12:40:21 02/23/05 (1)
- some explanation to help you understand why your point about "boosting" is invalid - Christine Tham 18:38:03 02/23/05 (0)
- like i said - go and understand how a sigma delta ADC works - Christine Tham 23:09:46 02/18/05 (2)
- Re: like i said - go and understand how a sigma delta ADC works - Max 04:14:37 02/19/05 (1)
- for the final time, go and do research before posting further (nt) - Christine Tham 11:08:42 02/19/05 (0)
- Noise does not add? - Max 16:36:25 02/18/05 (1)
- Not significantly: -80dB + -96dB = -79.9dB (not audible) (nt) - Christine Tham 22:59:58 02/18/05 (0)
- Re: bits aint bits - Frank.. 14:28:30 02/14/05 (0)
- Re: bits aint bits - unaffiliated 12:49:29 02/14/05 (3)
- Re: bits aint bits - Christine Tham 13:11:52 02/14/05 (2)
- Interesting... - unaffiliated 15:33:06 02/14/05 (1)
- No big whoop in the critical range of... - Penguin 20:50:25 02/14/05 (0)
- Ive read somewhere actual dynamic range on CD and most if not all format are set to about 20dB at most? nt - NonA. 06:38:44 02/14/05 (7)
- Re: Ive read somewhere actual dynamic range on CD and most if not all format are set to about 20dB at most? nt - unaffiliated 07:21:48 02/14/05 (6)
- Dynamic range - racerguy 11:39:26 02/14/05 (5)
- i think there is some confusion here ... - Christine Tham 11:49:46 02/14/05 (4)
- There may be... - racerguy 13:43:14 02/14/05 (2)
- Re: There may be... - Frank.. 14:09:37 02/14/05 (1)
- Not so - racerguy 14:48:10 02/14/05 (0)
- sorry, i meant to say difference between min and max RMS - Christine Tham 11:59:35 02/14/05 (0)
- Re: Do you have a link to the Pete Townshend - navman 19:45:18 02/12/05 (1)
- I just ordered these - navman 20:02:24 02/12/05 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: not that i'm defending frank or anything ... - unaffiliated 14:47:59 02/14/05 (2)
- Do some research - Penguin 20:35:23 02/14/05 (1)
- Should not write without a spell checker (nt). - Penguin 21:00:38 02/14/05 (0)