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Music Lane It's all about the music, dude! Sit down, relax and listen to some tunes. |
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Music Lane It's all about the music, dude! Sit down, relax and listen to some tunes. |
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In Reply to: Hey, we can all call it what we like. posted by markrohr on October 26, 2006 at 16:17:02:
There are two areas I've touched upon: aleatory (where I think we are mostly in agreement with regard to the use of "random sounds" in the context of a broader composition) and "non-human-system music" where I think we've disconnected. Are you saying you group bird song with cat hissing? Cat hissing appears to be "utility comminication" (as compared to artisitic effort). Wolf baying is unclear. Bird song, however, perhaps like whale songs appears to have qualities of "music" based on outward quality but also (and here's my main point) it appears to be DELIBERATELY "songful". There may be -- MAY BE -- an element of playfulness, entertainment, pure joy in the execution of the sound itself...no warnings, mating calls etc. I don't even need to know for sure, I am simply keeping the door open -- not for "simply defining any sound that appeals to you" as music -- but to the fact that there are OTHER KINDS OF MUSIC (in the absolute truest sense) that is out there. Again, who are we to know? The most intriguing part of that view (as Messiaen illustrates) is not the idea of "other music" per se, but the fact that (if we open our minds to it) "other forms of music" can provide inspiration and non-traditional elements for our own "human" music.One other idea regarding emotional vs. intellectual. Isn't this something of a layer cake as composed to "either/or"? I mean sure, some music is immediately appealling emotionally. More abstract music may be appreciated through the intellect. But is not "intellectual attraction" (essentially the combined focus of something like the Will combined with Logic) not ultimately BASED on emotion. I mean, if someone doesn't CARE first, no amount of "intellectual appeal" is going to get them to engage anything as music. To paraphrase Sting, "Do Russians not love their children too?" Thinking machines, non-traditional musical systems, other musical languages -- none of this points to "it's all good" or "anything goes" or "whatever appeals to you can be (arbitrarily) labelled as "music". With due respect, even the most learned and capable of human composers or musicians must consider that their knowledge and abilities are necessarily parochial owing to the "closed system" that is used for musical notation, tuning, the limits of human collaboration. Harry Partch dabbled with alternative systems in a formal way, Coltrane in an aural way etc. Sure, this doesn't appeal to "most people". But, it is valid "musical creation", and it extends the possiblities of music substantially beyond where it would be otherwise!:-)
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Follow Ups
- Somewhat surprisingly, you're off my point?... - SE 03:56:56 10/27/06 (4)
- "Are you saying you group bird song with cat hissing?" Yup. - markrohr 06:55:14 10/27/06 (3)
- "It takes a certain level of intelligence to create music." Yes indeed. - clarkjohnsen 09:39:52 10/27/06 (0)
- "I find this to be an angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin argument." That's a misfire! - clarkjohnsen 09:33:37 10/27/06 (1)
- All fair points. I'll close (really!:-) with this... - SE 07:05:34 10/27/06 (0)
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