In Reply to: Very Complicated Situation posted by Jon Risch on August 29, 2006 at 21:09:20:
You are even more full of it and of yourself than ever."I was taught that way, it was "just L, C and R", nothing more. Dielectric quality was not even considered (the quality of the C portion),"
If you have a better mathematical model for wire, offer it and publish it. If you don't, stop trying to pretend the entire world of electrical engineers are a pack of mindless idiots who don't know what they are doing.
"To this day, cable science is not taught in the schools or universities, mainly because so many schools no longer teach the students to think or encourage the students to think, to think for themselves, or to look outside the (textbook) box for other options."
This is the biggest pile of crap you have ever spouted. Engineers and Scientist MUST be taught how to think because that is the nature of their job and the tools they have to bring to bear to solve problems. That's how they make their living, by thinking about problems and solving them. As for "cable science" they are taught the same truths they were always taught, how to find the equivalent lump sum network parameters from the distributed parameter model. Perhaps at the masters or PHD level, they will delve deeper into it if there is something of interest there and they are hard up to find another topic even less important to the world. As far as making a study of "cable science" most engineering and science students have many far more important things to learn about than cables. Only YOU are obsessed with cables. Most engineers rely on work already done to use the very satisfactory answers developed over many decades of research by others in the real cable industry to solve their problems. It just isn't a very interesting or important topic for people who can think.
"On the other hand, some of the folks who developed good sounding cables, _were_ formally trained, and do have a prety good idea of what is going on, and may even deliberately use LCR manipulation to achieve certain end goals and results"
This is exactly what the tinkerers do and if they are lucky, not too many of their customers blow up their amplifiers or themselves with their junk products in the process. Engineers who design amplifiers have to take special pains to protect their designs from this new and previously unexpected threat.
"Bottom line, there is no tried and true factual recipe for audio cable greatness."
I predict nobody will ever win the Nobel Prize for discovering a new audio cable design. Nobody with a functioning brain actually cares.
"The physicists and engineers were taught that wire is wire, and if you make it large enough to carry the current, and/or it has a tidy enough impedance to carry that RF signal, you were done."
An utter lie. They are taught the classical techniques of modeling and the solutions time proven over decades of theory and experience. Then they move on to more important subjects. Real issues about wire have to do with large power distribution and communications networks, not stereo systems. Funny how they seem to have no trouble solving those problems but stinking stereo cables are a major issue.
"First, you need to try and understand that at least half or more of the folks who started a high end cable company were originaly just trying to make cables that sounded good to them, for themselves."
Yes, most or all of them. They are clueless tinkerers.
"Of those folks, less than half probably had formal training in physics or engineering,"
Yes a lot less than half. Except for real engineers who get jobs in companies like Belden and its competitors, the percentage is very close to zero. That's why most of what they do and write is pure bullshit.
"As for buying Home Depot wire, well, you already know the answer to that one, you listened, and found the Rat Shack and HD cables wanting"
They perform their rational electrical functions perfectly. That's why they are so popular. John Curl proved it conclusively for RS interconnects. -120 db 7th harmonic of 5khz when the best he could find at any price was -135 and on a 7 mhz color TV signal, response so flat it is indistinguishable from the RF feed. What better performance for an audio cable would be needed than that and why?
You can knock the world of science and engineering all you want to rationalize your ego driven fantasy that you have made some great discovery but frankly, in the real world, even insects loom much larger than you baloney.
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Follow Ups
- Simple Situation, your bullshit has putrified to an unbearable stench - Soundmind 07:00:52 08/30/06 (7)
- Typical - Jon Risch 16:42:39 08/30/06 (2)
- I am not impressed or intimidaded by self appointed tin pot gods - Soundmind 18:26:58 08/30/06 (1)
- I am not impressed or intimidaded by self-appointed gods. - robert young 05:24:25 08/31/06 (0)
- Re: Simple Situation, your bullshit has putrified to an unbearable stench - john curl 11:10:24 08/30/06 (3)
- Thank you for your detailed technical rebuttal - Soundmind 11:42:59 08/30/06 (2)
- Re: Thank you for your detailed technical rebuttal - john curl 12:09:16 08/30/06 (1)
- Re: Thank you for your detailed technical rebuttal - Soundmind 12:38:38 08/30/06 (0)