In Reply to: "credible independent evidence" posted by BS64 on August 27, 2006 at 05:45:59:
"Would that be found in print? Or from listening comparisons?"When someone comes up with a genuine claim for a superior product, design, or idea, it is published in professional technical journals like the Journal of the Audio Engineering Society or the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America. The idea can be published giving theoretical physical and mathematical descriptions and explanations. Products are described in detail with laboratory data and if superior performance is claimed, are Double Blind Tested with careful attention to details to allow others to duplicate the tests and arrive at the same results and conclusions. This is what all scientific advances are about. Nobody who makes cables does that. Everyone who makes drugs has to. Before that, the drug industry was just a medicine show with carnival like claims and testimonials just the way the cable manufacturers operate.
""If you read the ad copy carefully, you will see just how cleverly words can be twisted to imply facts without actually stating them"
Please provide some examples."Off the top of my head, one I can think of is a guy who claims his wires are a "monolithic crystal" with no grain boundaries. First of all, that is highly unlikely. Secondly, even if it were true, it has no bearing on the conductivity of electricity let alone how it would perform as audio cables. And as anyone who has studied metalurgy even cursorily knows, each and every time it is bent, it will create new grain boundaries so it would never stay that way. But the uninformed audiophile is lead to believe that somehow this product will improve audio performance. Another is the use of silver instead of copper wire. Silver is a better conductor than copper so its resistance per foot for a given gage is lower than copper's...but it is also much more expensive and offers no usable advantages in a sound system. Every single manufacturer has his own peculiar wrinkle he touts but you will notice few if any of them come out and state specifically that your sound system will perform better if you use their product instead of someone elses. Re-read them and see how clever they are. It's not because they wouldn't like to make these claims, it's because they can't.
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Follow Ups
- Re: "credible independent evidence" - Soundmind 06:03:00 08/27/06 (49)
- Excellent points - BS64 06:23:02 08/27/06 (48)
- Re: Excellent points - john curl 09:33:36 08/27/06 (24)
- Re: Excellent points - mls-stl 09:18:21 08/29/06 (0)
- "DB blind tests seem to turn US into THESE people." Stop, yer killin' me! - clarkjohnsen 07:49:40 08/28/06 (14)
- Re: "DB blind tests seem to turn US into THESE people." Stop, yer killin' me! - Soundmind 09:17:07 08/28/06 (13)
- Is it congenital, or constitutional? I mean, that you're a liar. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:25:38 08/28/06 (12)
- Is being tone deaf a drawback to becoming a professional record reviewer? nt - Soundmind 11:00:01 08/28/06 (11)
- Re: Is being tone deaf a drawback to becoming a professional record reviewer? nt - john curl 13:43:28 08/28/06 (10)
- Re: Is being tone deaf a drawback to becoming a professional record reviewer? nt - Soundmind 14:56:18 08/28/06 (9)
- Re: Is being tone deaf a drawback to becoming a professional record reviewer? nt - john curl 16:00:17 08/28/06 (8)
- Re: Is being tone deaf a drawback to becoming a professional record reviewer? nt - Soundmind 18:38:48 08/28/06 (0)
- He also has the strange notion that Clark is a record reviewer. nt - markrohr 16:51:20 08/28/06 (6)
- The boy is just *full* of strange notions. (Plus being busted as a liar.) nt - clarkjohnsen 07:10:25 08/29/06 (5)
- Yes I lied...I said you are a reviewer. It's clear from you postings you're not even that. - Soundmind 07:27:02 08/29/06 (4)
- That was just one of MANY. You're totally busted, pal! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:55:38 08/29/06 (3)
- And here after I defended you - Soundmind 11:10:43 08/29/06 (2)
- Re: And here after I defended you - Steve Eddy 12:20:56 08/29/06 (1)
- Re: And here after I defended you - Soundmind 13:06:56 08/29/06 (0)
- Re: Excellent points - BS64 11:01:04 08/27/06 (1)
- Re: Excellent points - kerr 12:15:23 08/27/06 (0)
- Oh Puleeeeeeeeze - Soundmind 10:36:22 08/27/06 (5)
- Re: Oh Puleeeeeeeeze - soulfood 11:28:24 08/27/06 (4)
- Re: Oh Puleeeeeeeeze - john curl 12:10:20 08/27/06 (3)
- Re: silver oxidation - mls-stl 13:57:29 08/27/06 (1)
- Re: silver oxidation - Soundmind 14:11:45 08/27/06 (0)
- Re: Oh Puleeeeeeeeze - Soundmind 13:41:59 08/27/06 (0)
- Re: Excellent points - Soundmind 07:38:24 08/27/06 (22)
- A certain lack of knowledge - unclestu52 13:40:14 08/27/06 (11)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - Soundmind 13:54:40 08/27/06 (10)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - unclestu52 14:49:49 08/27/06 (9)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - Soundmind 15:20:48 08/27/06 (7)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - unclestu52 20:48:52 08/28/06 (6)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - Soundmind 03:12:15 08/29/06 (5)
- Interesting - unclestu52 13:12:40 08/29/06 (3)
- Re: Interesting - Soundmind 15:03:53 08/29/06 (2)
- I agree - unclestu52 16:42:56 08/29/06 (1)
- Re: I agree - Soundmind 05:52:03 08/30/06 (0)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - john curl 06:35:14 08/29/06 (0)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - john curl 14:54:25 08/27/06 (0)
- all too familiar... - BS64 10:36:38 08/27/06 (9)
- Re: all too familiar... - Soundmind 11:00:22 08/27/06 (8)
- "extraordinarily dangerous" - BS64 11:26:52 08/27/06 (7)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - Soundmind 11:48:32 08/27/06 (6)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - BS64 07:17:36 08/31/06 (1)
- Re: "I drove a compact truck carrying jugs of sodium hypochlorite and muriatic acid" - geoffkait 10:33:36 08/31/06 (0)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - john curl 12:13:01 08/27/06 (3)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - Soundmind 13:11:23 08/27/06 (2)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - john curl 13:53:39 08/27/06 (1)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - Soundmind 13:59:53 08/27/06 (0)