In Reply to: Re: Reversesd cables sound different can be explained. posted by john curl on August 28, 2006 at 13:53:08:
Hi.I tried to explain technically how come ICs may sound different when hooked up with their MARKED direction reversed. All these directional cables are twisted pair for balanced signal return with an overall shielding sleeving grounded at the receiving end of the cable.
Now you raised another issue of unbalanced ICs whereby the shielding sleeve also acts as the return signal path as for most of those skinny crappy so called ICs come free from your CD or DVD players. In this unbalanced signal return situation, it got to be grounded both end to complete the return circuit.
Shielding is NOT a sonic blessing for audio. I would refrain from using any shielding as much as possible due to the wire-to-shield capacitance of EACH conductor inside the shield sleeving.
A tightly twisted pair of conductors of IDENTICAL specs can provide self noise cancelling effect. The EMI/RFI picked up in one twist can be cancelled out by the noise picked up by the next twist down the line. Good for up to 1MHz. So for audio use, it is OK even shielding is not there.
A designer-builder-owner of a brandname power amp well known of its sonic quality publicly disnounces the use of any shielding for audio wires & cables. He claims shielding can only kill the livelness of music.
Indeed, overall shielding will add more capacitance to the inter-conductor capacitance of the twisted pair of wires forming the IC & is proportional to the dielectric constant of the insulation dielectric & inversely proportional to the log10 of D/d. D=overall diameter of the shielding & d=diameter of the wire itself.
Generally, shielding capacitance is a few time more than inter-conductor capacitance of a twisted pair.
In fact, all audio ICs I DIY built for own use & for whoever affordable, are tightly twisted pair WIHTOUT any overall shielding. The conductors are either 4N silver & Ag plated OFHC pure copper if budget is limited. This includes ICs btween turntable to phonostage, which works fine with mine for SHORT lengths.
I would touch coaxial cable separately if my readers are interested.
c-J
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- Re: Reversesd cables sound different can be explained. - john curl 13:53:08 08/28/06 (8)
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- Re: It should not be coaxial which is non-directional. (nt) - john curl 11:33:09 08/30/06 (4)
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- Re: Good question. - john curl 13:19:36 08/30/06 (2)
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- Re: Good question. - Soundmind 13:33:35 08/30/06 (0)
- Good one, May! (Suggest you bother no further to reply to sarcastic male harridans.) nt - clarkjohnsen 09:14:52 08/28/06 (29)
- Re: Good one, May! (Suggest you bother no further to reply to sarcastic male harridans.) nt - May Belt 09:03:45 08/29/06 (28)
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- Mind you.. - cheap-Jack 13:04:05 08/30/06 (3)
- Re: Mind you.. - john curl 13:51:21 08/30/06 (2)
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- Re: I am listening.. - john curl 18:51:10 08/30/06 (0)
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- So tell us all May so that we can get it right..... - Soundmind 11:31:49 08/27/06 (30)
- What an argument !!! - cheap-Jack 13:20:17 08/28/06 (27)
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- Re: Can you hear at 400,000,000 Hz? - thetubeguy1954 11:11:05 08/28/06 (20)
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- Can You Hear At All? - thetubeguy1954 09:32:21 08/29/06 (1)
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- Re: Can You Hear At All? - thetubeguy1954 06:20:54 08/30/06 (14)
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- Re: What Is The Average Objectivists Beliefs On Wires? - Soundmind 05:13:48 08/27/06 (54)
- "credible independent evidence" - BS64 05:45:59 08/27/06 (50)
- Re: "credible independent evidence" - Soundmind 06:03:00 08/27/06 (49)
- Excellent points - BS64 06:23:02 08/27/06 (48)
- Re: Excellent points - john curl 09:33:36 08/27/06 (24)
- Re: Excellent points - mls-stl 09:18:21 08/29/06 (0)
- "DB blind tests seem to turn US into THESE people." Stop, yer killin' me! - clarkjohnsen 07:49:40 08/28/06 (14)
- Re: "DB blind tests seem to turn US into THESE people." Stop, yer killin' me! - Soundmind 09:17:07 08/28/06 (13)
- Is it congenital, or constitutional? I mean, that you're a liar. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:25:38 08/28/06 (12)
- Is being tone deaf a drawback to becoming a professional record reviewer? nt - Soundmind 11:00:01 08/28/06 (11)
- Re: Is being tone deaf a drawback to becoming a professional record reviewer? nt - john curl 13:43:28 08/28/06 (10)
- Re: Is being tone deaf a drawback to becoming a professional record reviewer? nt - Soundmind 14:56:18 08/28/06 (9)
- Re: Is being tone deaf a drawback to becoming a professional record reviewer? nt - john curl 16:00:17 08/28/06 (8)
- Re: Is being tone deaf a drawback to becoming a professional record reviewer? nt - Soundmind 18:38:48 08/28/06 (0)
- He also has the strange notion that Clark is a record reviewer. nt - markrohr 16:51:20 08/28/06 (6)
- The boy is just *full* of strange notions. (Plus being busted as a liar.) nt - clarkjohnsen 07:10:25 08/29/06 (5)
- Yes I lied...I said you are a reviewer. It's clear from you postings you're not even that. - Soundmind 07:27:02 08/29/06 (4)
- That was just one of MANY. You're totally busted, pal! nt - clarkjohnsen 07:55:38 08/29/06 (3)
- And here after I defended you - Soundmind 11:10:43 08/29/06 (2)
- Re: And here after I defended you - Steve Eddy 12:20:56 08/29/06 (1)
- Re: And here after I defended you - Soundmind 13:06:56 08/29/06 (0)
- Re: Excellent points - BS64 11:01:04 08/27/06 (1)
- Re: Excellent points - kerr 12:15:23 08/27/06 (0)
- Oh Puleeeeeeeeze - Soundmind 10:36:22 08/27/06 (5)
- Re: Oh Puleeeeeeeeze - soulfood 11:28:24 08/27/06 (4)
- Re: Oh Puleeeeeeeeze - john curl 12:10:20 08/27/06 (3)
- Re: silver oxidation - mls-stl 13:57:29 08/27/06 (1)
- Re: silver oxidation - Soundmind 14:11:45 08/27/06 (0)
- Re: Oh Puleeeeeeeeze - Soundmind 13:41:59 08/27/06 (0)
- Re: Excellent points - Soundmind 07:38:24 08/27/06 (22)
- A certain lack of knowledge - unclestu52 13:40:14 08/27/06 (11)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - Soundmind 13:54:40 08/27/06 (10)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - unclestu52 14:49:49 08/27/06 (9)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - Soundmind 15:20:48 08/27/06 (7)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - unclestu52 20:48:52 08/28/06 (6)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - Soundmind 03:12:15 08/29/06 (5)
- Interesting - unclestu52 13:12:40 08/29/06 (3)
- Re: Interesting - Soundmind 15:03:53 08/29/06 (2)
- I agree - unclestu52 16:42:56 08/29/06 (1)
- Re: I agree - Soundmind 05:52:03 08/30/06 (0)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - john curl 06:35:14 08/29/06 (0)
- Re: A certain lack of knowledge - john curl 14:54:25 08/27/06 (0)
- all too familiar... - BS64 10:36:38 08/27/06 (9)
- Re: all too familiar... - Soundmind 11:00:22 08/27/06 (8)
- "extraordinarily dangerous" - BS64 11:26:52 08/27/06 (7)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - Soundmind 11:48:32 08/27/06 (6)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - BS64 07:17:36 08/31/06 (1)
- Re: "I drove a compact truck carrying jugs of sodium hypochlorite and muriatic acid" - geoffkait 10:33:36 08/31/06 (0)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - john curl 12:13:01 08/27/06 (3)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - Soundmind 13:11:23 08/27/06 (2)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - john curl 13:53:39 08/27/06 (1)
- Re: "extraordinarily dangerous" - Soundmind 13:59:53 08/27/06 (0)
- Re: What Is The Average Objectivists Beliefs On Wires? - Dan Banquer 05:18:02 08/27/06 (2)
- Re: What Is The Average Objectivists Beliefs On Wires? - Soundmind 05:49:43 08/27/06 (1)
- Re: What Is The Average Objectivists Beliefs On Wires? - john curl 09:37:54 08/27/06 (0)
- BFD - Don T 20:59:53 08/26/06 (1)
- there's a third opton: - robert young 04:18:54 08/29/06 (0)
- Re: What Is The Average Objectivists Beliefs On Wires? - Paul Butterfield 07:17:03 08/26/06 (0)
- Re: What Is The Average Objectivists Beliefs On Wires? - mls-stl 20:24:19 08/25/06 (0)
- Re: What is an "Average Objectivists"... - mkuller 12:27:56 08/25/06 (34)
- Ahem.....can I be of assistance? - Bruce Kendall 17:53:24 08/25/06 (0)
- Re: What is an "Average Objectivists"... - thetubeguy1954 14:07:33 08/25/06 (32)
- Are you writing a book or looking for an arguement? - mkuller 14:09:41 08/25/06 (31)
- Neither Trying To Understand Their POV - thetubeguy1954 07:59:48 08/26/06 (30)
- Ok, here it is... - mkuller 10:15:34 08/26/06 (29)
- Not quite... - KlausR. 11:08:45 08/26/06 (28)
- You know what your problem is Klaus?..... - Soundmind 03:44:19 08/29/06 (5)
- Re: You know what your problem is Klaus?..... - john curl 06:37:18 08/29/06 (1)
- Re: You know what your problem is Klaus?..... - Soundmind 07:28:37 08/29/06 (0)
- The only wire-related problem I have... - KlausR. 04:54:44 08/29/06 (2)
- Re: The only wire-related problem I have... - Soundmind 13:15:57 08/29/06 (1)
- There's even worse! - KlausR. 00:02:32 08/30/06 (0)
- Only Sometimes - thetubeguy1954 12:19:33 08/28/06 (9)
- Re: Only Sometimes - KlausR. 00:32:29 08/29/06 (8)
- Klaus Your Actions Proved My Point For Me --- Thanks! - thetubeguy1954 07:36:47 08/30/06 (5)
- Did I really prove your point? - KlausR. 00:52:42 08/31/06 (3)
- Yes You Did.... - thetubeguy1954 13:00:51 09/01/06 (2)
- Ok, ok, I confess, I'm a believer!!! - KlausR. 21:32:31 09/02/06 (1)
- Re: Ok, ok, I confess, I'm a believer!!! - Pat D 12:47:49 09/09/06 (0)
- Your poor logical skills are showing again. - Pat D 19:44:31 08/30/06 (0)
- Re: Only Sometimes - Pat D 08:03:26 08/29/06 (1)
- Yes, that's the review I was thinking of - KlausR. 06:55:23 08/30/06 (0)
- Another kind of bias - okiemax 16:30:59 08/26/06 (0)
- Re: Not quite... - john curl 15:17:21 08/26/06 (10)
- From my point of view, you and Floyd Toole are two peas in a pod - Soundmind 04:49:26 08/27/06 (7)
- Re: From my point of view, you and Floyd Toole are two peas in a pod - Pat D 16:41:26 08/29/06 (0)
- "engages in tests of recordings versus live music to see if your preferred equipment can duplictate it convincingly" - BS64 06:01:30 08/27/06 (5)
- Re: "engages in tests of recordings versus live music to see if your preferred equipment can duplictate it convincingly" - Soundmind 06:12:54 08/27/06 (4)
- I have assembled... - BS64 06:38:06 08/27/06 (3)
- Re: I have assembled... - Soundmind 08:02:24 08/27/06 (2)
- that's where we novices can get confused - BS64 11:49:01 08/27/06 (1)
- Re: that's where we novices can get confused - Soundmind 12:01:12 08/27/06 (0)
- Did Toole make any methodological mistakes in... - KlausR. 00:06:59 08/27/06 (0)
- Hmmmm . . . - Pat D 19:58:59 08/26/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- Please don't confuse the issue. (long) - cheap-Jack 07:48:43 08/29/06 (7)
- Re: Please don't confuse the issue. (long) - john curl 23:50:41 08/29/06 (6)
- It should not be coaxial which is non-directional. (nt) - cheap-Jack 06:59:33 08/30/06 (5)
- Re: It should not be coaxial which is non-directional. (nt) - john curl 11:33:09 08/30/06 (4)
- Good question. - cheap-Jack 12:45:02 08/30/06 (3)
- Re: Good question. - john curl 13:19:36 08/30/06 (2)
- Oooops, it means no logic. (nt) - cheap-Jack 13:45:56 08/30/06 (0)
- Re: Good question. - Soundmind 13:33:35 08/30/06 (0)