In Reply to: bass vs imaging: is there a tradeoff? posted by av99 on December 11, 2006 at 01:57:29:
All frequency response peaks (mainly from room reflections not the speakers themselves) affect the stereo image.Bass peaks from standing waves (from in-phase room reflections) have more energy than mid-range and treble peaks so are most disruptive.
That's why small speakers with limited output under 50Hz. can have such a good image (they can't excite room bass resonances under 50Hz. because they have so little output under 50Hz.)
565/largest room dimension in feet = lowest frequency room resonance (565/20 = 28Hz. in a rectangular room that's 20' long, for example)
There's nothing like booming bass notes, especially a repeating kick drum or kettle drum, to obscure the stereo image which is entirely from frequencies above 100Hz. (we can't hear a stereo effect at lower frequencies because our ears are much too close together relative to the 11 foot and longer wavelengths at 100Hz. and lower).
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Richard BassNut Greene
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Follow Ups
- Deeper bass = more room bass resonances exited = more bass booms = reduced quality image - Richard BassNut Greene 09:07:51 12/11/06 (15)
- Re: Deeper bass = more room bass resonances exited = more bass booms = reduced quality image - mauimusicman 20:16:11 12/11/06 (14)
- not quite - 20Hz 11:36:30 12/12/06 (9)
- "When the speakers operate in a unified plane relative to the listening position ... the bass is precise" = No its not - Richard BassNut Greene 13:16:27 12/12/06 (8)
- Not so fast - Dave Kingsland 19:26:43 12/12/06 (2)
- Lets see some measurements - Richard BassNut Greene 08:36:33 12/14/06 (1)
- Re: Lets see some measurements - Dave Kingsland 19:37:44 12/14/06 (0)
- not true - 20Hz 13:35:31 12/12/06 (4)
- When I hear you say "Everything makes a difference", then I know all thinking has stopped - Richard BassNut Greene 08:23:08 12/14/06 (3)
- missing the point - 20Hz 12:13:21 12/14/06 (2)
- No point. Bass is not precise in small rooms. Standing waves are in same position regardless of speaker position - Richard BassNut Greene 08:57:29 12/15/06 (1)
- sorry, not what I meant - 20Hz 13:54:40 12/15/06 (0)
- Phase shifts caused by room reflection can be eliminated with mirror-image phase shifts from a parametric EQ - Richard BassNut Greene 08:24:31 12/12/06 (3)
- Re: Phase shifts caused by room reflection can be eliminated with mirror-image phase shifts from a parametric EQ - mauimusicman 11:55:57 12/14/06 (1)
- If the EQ is a mirror-image of the frequency response problem caused by a room reflection, it corrects phase problem - Richard BassNut Greene 15:17:54 12/15/06 (0)
- Re: Phase shifts caused by room reflection can be eliminated with mirror-image phase shifts from a parametric EQ - ayokay 10:12:40 12/13/06 (0)