In Reply to: The Dirty Word- "Qualification" posted by Todd Krieger on January 11, 2007 at 21:45:13:
Your logic is faulty.The equipment is not being tested.
What is being tested is what a listener claims to hear while listening to the equipment.
The stereo equipment is "qualified" by an audiophile claiming he hears a difference between two components during a sighted audition when using that equipment.
His claim could be a real audible sound quality difference, a small SPL difference believed to be meaningful sound quality difference or an imagined difference.
With no test, the "cause" of the reported audible difference can only be assumed.
A-B volume matching does not require a blind methodology, or even a test -- it's just common sense for any A-B comparison -- common sense that's almost always ignored in sighted comparisons of electronics and wires.
A-B volumes may be adjusted for gross SPL differences between two pairs of speakers, but rarely are with any attempt at accuracy.
A comparison between a listener's hearing ability in a sighted warm-up audition, assuming he hears an A-B difference, versus his hearing ability in a blind audition minutes later, is VERY important information for that person. Why would someone invest three or four hours of his time if he didn't care?
That not every listener claims to hear differences in A-B volume-matched sighted warm-up auditions done before blind tests ... suggests that A-B volume matching reduces reported audible differences versus listening to two components playing at different volumes, which is the methodology used for almost all sighted A-B comparisons. Of course just plain common sense suggests the same thing!
Nobody wins when two components are compared playing at different volumes and the listener reports hearing differences.
Yet that is exactly the methodology used for almost all subjective A-B comparisons.
The most "qualified" stereo in the world would not offset the experiment design flaw of comparing components playing at different volumes and reporting they sound different. The same component would sound different at different volumes!
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007
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Follow Ups
- So there's no proof the equipment is "qualified" for the test? ... ( Your "logic" embarasses this subjective audiophile) - Richard BassNut Greene 10:00:38 01/12/07 (17)
- Exact Same Answer...... - Todd Krieger 04:23:00 01/13/07 (5)
- If after all these years he still doesn't get it... well... nt - clarkjohnsen 13:08:49 01/13/07 (4)
- The Mistake I've Made..... - Todd Krieger 17:29:18 01/14/07 (3)
- No need to sell yourself short. nt - clarkjohnsen 17:31:06 01/14/07 (2)
- Better Late Than Never..... (And AES Papers) - Todd Krieger 21:17:16 01/14/07 (1)
- First, join the AES. Then... - clarkjohnsen 00:41:49 01/15/07 (0)
- You left out some things. - okiemax 10:35:05 01/12/07 (10)
- I wanted to give you an opening - Richard BassNut Greene 11:15:13 01/12/07 (9)
- Re: I wanted to give you an opening - okiemax 22:41:51 01/12/07 (8)
- Recognizing a small SPL difference seems very difficult - Richard BassNut Greene 12:53:38 01/15/07 (7)
- Misinterpreting volume differences as quality differences - okiemax 21:55:16 01/15/07 (6)
- Indeed, not to mention the fact that, louder volume as often means, more distortion. nt - clarkjohnsen 00:35:28 01/16/07 (5)
- Louder volume also means easier to hear deep bass relative to other frequencies - Richard BassNut Greene 09:05:35 01/16/07 (4)
- Distortion - kerr 11:02:56 01/16/07 (3)
- Re: Distortion - bwaslo 13:41:28 01/16/07 (2)
- Re: Distortion - kerr 04:43:59 01/17/07 (1)
- Re: Distortion - bwaslo 05:14:53 01/17/07 (0)