In Reply to: Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours posted by john curl on September 4, 2006 at 07:57:36:
"What kind of engineer are you?"Power distribution and construction project management. How much power can a phonograph cartridge produce? Hardly seems worth the effort, it wouldn't light a flashlight bulb. What kind of building permit does it take to get one installed and which code enforcement official inspects it to grant a cirtificate of occupancy?
Kidding aside, what phongraph record has a signal on it which would require a faster slew rate than my hypothetical case? Even that seems well beyond real world requirements. It's interesting that according to JBL, until 1958 they never even had to deal with signals over 12 khz. In the mid 1960s Audio Fidelity records claimed response to 25 khz. If you have one with say the Dukes of Dixieland, Al Hirt, or some of those sound effects discs they used to release, you'll see the specs for the "Frey Stereophonic Curtain of Sound" on the back of the jacket. Of course having any significant signal to record beyond 15 khz or so seems unlikely given the characteristics and requirements of musical signals and the limitations of human hearing. What you would call the "fastest slewing" cartridge I have is probably Empire 4000DIII which has a Shibata like stylus with response beyond 45khz for use with CD-4 records and will track at under 1 gram. Same audible results.
So what about my numbers? Where do you disagree with them to draw the conclusion that you need to specify a requirement of 5V/us? What are the details of the highest velocity slew rate recording and cartridge output electrical slew rate you measured? BTW, I have never owned an MC cartridge and have no intention of ever acquiring one. I don't see any advantages to them and a whole host of disadvantages to them. I'll stick with Shure V15 Type V MR for the time being. I guess I'm just a "mid fi" kinda guy.BTW, in case it hadn't occurred to you, I am firmly cemented in the camp that believes that bandwidth beyond 20 khz is not necessary or even desirable...except for decoding CD 4 discs of course.
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- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - Soundmind 10:56:50 09/04/06 (52)
- Many can hear beyond 20KHz. - cheap-Jack 13:30:54 09/06/06 (9)
- Re: Many can hear beyond 20KHz - DeBunked? - jcox 20:55:04 09/06/06 (0)
- Re: Many can hear beyond 20KHz. - Soundmind 16:28:49 09/06/06 (7)
- It can be perceived, however. - jneutron 06:10:37 09/07/06 (6)
- Hearing is only part of the human aural perception. - cheap-Jack 09:05:20 09/07/06 (3)
- Re: Hearing is only part of the human aural perception. - Soundmind 11:44:15 09/07/06 (0)
- Re: Hearing is only part of the human aural perception. - jneutron 09:15:54 09/07/06 (1)
- Re: Hearing is only part of the human aural perception. - Soundmind 11:46:14 09/07/06 (0)
- Re: It can be perceived, however. - Soundmind 07:55:03 09/07/06 (1)
- Re: It can be perceived, however. - jneutron 08:30:10 09/07/06 (0)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - jneutron 06:24:48 09/05/06 (39)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - Soundmind 04:40:41 09/06/06 (33)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - jneutron 06:18:12 09/06/06 (32)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - Soundmind 07:43:21 09/06/06 (31)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - jneutron 08:18:00 09/06/06 (30)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - Soundmind 13:16:01 09/06/06 (18)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - jneutron 13:44:12 09/06/06 (17)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - Soundmind 14:29:45 09/06/06 (16)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - jneutron 06:51:57 09/07/06 (7)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - john curl 10:48:27 09/08/06 (1)
- Where are you reading this stuff?? - jneutron 06:31:00 09/11/06 (0)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - Soundmind 07:49:19 09/07/06 (4)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - john curl 12:12:17 09/08/06 (0)
- my goodness, please read the posts again. - jneutron 08:23:59 09/07/06 (2)
- Re: my goodness, please read the posts again. - Soundmind 12:08:51 09/07/06 (1)
- Re: my goodness, please read the posts again. - jneutron 12:44:07 09/07/06 (0)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - john curl 22:17:05 09/06/06 (7)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - Soundmind 04:53:01 09/07/06 (6)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - john curl 08:44:45 09/07/06 (5)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - Soundmind 11:41:05 09/07/06 (4)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - john curl 12:29:21 09/07/06 (3)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - Soundmind 15:07:11 09/07/06 (2)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - john curl 15:18:42 09/07/06 (1)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - Soundmind 17:01:00 09/07/06 (0)
- John, your concern has been know for nearly 25 years... - Jacques 09:26:58 09/06/06 (10)
- Nice - jneutron 11:06:42 09/06/06 (9)
- Answers for what I know and technical comment on PIM - Jacques 07:49:13 09/07/06 (8)
- Re: Answers for what I know and technical comment on PIM - jneutron 09:00:51 09/07/06 (7)
- PIM and other tests - Jacques 11:22:30 09/07/06 (6)
- Re: PIM and other tests - jneutron 11:35:16 09/07/06 (5)
- Your load resistor - Jacques 01:07:43 09/08/06 (4)
- Sure - jneutron 06:53:50 09/08/06 (3)
- If you have the build sequence - Jacques 07:52:02 09/08/06 (2)
- Picture 8 did not make it, the message did not state why. - jneutron 11:41:20 09/08/06 (0)
- Got pics of the whole shebang - jneutron 09:05:00 09/08/06 (0)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - csero 17:00:37 09/05/06 (4)
- your post confused me.. - jneutron 05:59:55 09/06/06 (3)
- I think he is saying the same thing I am even if somewhat obliquely and without explanation - Soundmind 07:47:09 09/06/06 (2)
- Honestly, I'm not sure..perhaps he should be allowed to elaborate? nt - jneutron 08:19:48 09/06/06 (1)
- I'd be the last one who'd want to stop him....elaborate away nt - Soundmind 13:17:24 09/06/06 (0)
- Re: Let's compare numbers and see why mine are different from yours - john curl 11:47:54 09/04/06 (1)
- I still don't understand why our numbers are so different - Soundmind 13:52:31 09/04/06 (0)