You're the one saying acts who do those things break through. Bingo!, you said. Remember?

Posted by J (A) on March 12, 2006 at 15:27:13

In Reply to: Moon Martin crafted and performed great pop songs. If you posted by tinear on March 11, 2006 at 18:30:45:

I thought the truly excellent bands don't toil in obscurity? If you're going to (correctly) chide Don about TVZ not being a 'band,' then you can't use Moon Martin to rebut why Big Star wasn't great in the first place.

And Moon Martin (who I never said I didn't like) is hardly the issue although you seem to want to make him (or someone else's taste other than yr own) the issue...unsurprising since yr premise is extremely flawed. If Berlin, who did experience success, is on a level with Big Star (who didn't), in yr mind, if that's actually the case, you still haven't told us why. Instead you say that Big Star wasn't great because...they had too much competition?

If you think that the Shoes or the Records or the Lyres had as much influence as Big Star, that's yr opinion, but I'll defer to a guy like Paul Westerberg on that (Rick Nielsen, too, while we're at it). Who was more influential, the Records...or the Only Ones? The Vertebrats...or NRBQ? There you go, there's one of those bands that can't be 'great' because they don't qualify according to you.

And I didn't misread anything, I know how the term 'influence' was being used in yr post. You laid out rules that say that a derivative band cannot be great. I offered three exceptions to that rule fairly quickly & you dismissed them all based on nothing but YR taste, then accused me of doing the same thing. Ahem.

If you feel every White Stripes album is the same, then let's go song by song between the first one & Elephant, or between De Stijl & Satan. You prefer the Offspring to Green Day, fine, but for me that's sorta like thinking that the Dead Boys were a better band than the Ramones.

Coming up with the names you seem to feel are on a level with Big Star is a pretty clear case of wanting to have it both ways. I call BS.

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Topic - Oasis and Radiohead: yeah, hopelessly "mainstream" but - tinear 16:33:57 03/08/06 (24)

Oasis had a couple of good tunes about 15 years ago. - PdL 11:13:52 03/11/06 (1)

The last thing I would call Radiohead is repetitive. Oasis, maybe (N.T.) - Spiritualized 11:19:47 03/11/06 (0)

Re: Oasis and Radiohead: yeah, hopelessly "mainstream" but - Todd Krieger 01:33:27 03/11/06 (2)

Re: Oasis and Radiohead: yeah, hopelessly "mainstream" but - greginsydneyau 03:14:27 03/15/06 (0)

Re: - J 13:52:33 03/11/06 (0)

An example of a band that never reached their full potential - Just Passing Through 14:26:04 03/10/06 (0)

To answer your question.. - Stone 11:57:40 03/10/06 (0)

What about Drive By Truckers, Rocket From the Crypt and the Black Crowes - Don T 21:51:18 03/09/06 (3)

You have shamed the memory of Townes by including him with the others, as - tinear 17:08:05 03/10/06 (2)

Maybe a little - but your original post kicks him in the teeth! nt - Don T 08:24:45 03/11/06 (1)

My post mentions "bands." nt - tinear 16:55:25 03/11/06 (0)

Your second point neglects the commercial importance of capturing the zeitgeist of the moment - DAT 13:37:57 03/09/06 (10)

My "logic" indeed wouldn't apply to Crow, Brittney, Madonna, or - tinear 17:25:59 03/09/06 (9)

I think you countered your own argument here - John_the_Scot 02:59:31 03/10/06 (1)

Phish is Dead wannabes. There's influence, derivation... and - tinear 17:00:15 03/10/06 (0)

Madonna is generally critically heralded - DAT 19:40:31 03/09/06 (0)

Re: Dread Zeppelin not great? - J 17:47:29 03/09/06 (5)

White Stripes: they've made the same cd what, six times now? I lost - tinear 17:06:23 03/10/06 (0)

Big Star had too much competition at the time and there were tens of - tinear 17:04:47 03/10/06 (3)

Re: Come on - J 20:16:10 03/10/06 (2)

Moon Martin crafted and performed great pop songs. If you - tinear 18:30:45 03/11/06 (1)

You're the one saying acts who do those things break through. Bingo!, you said. Remember? - J 15:27:13 03/12/06 (0)

Re: - J 08:47:19 03/09/06 (1)

Beck - Don T 22:01:32 03/09/06 (0)

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You're the one saying acts who do those things break through. Bingo!, you said. Remember? - J 15:27:13 03/12/06 (0)

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