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Re: For The Record....

Posted by thetubeguy1954 (A) on October 22, 2006 at 11:41:47

In Reply to: Re: For The Record.... posted by Phil Tower on October 22, 2006 at 07:00:10:

Phil,

You are 100% mistaken in your beliefs.

1) The belief adhered to by Subjectivists. Is NOT strictly I BELIEVE there is a difference merely because I THINK I'm hearing one. This claim of yours is typical of Luantic Fringe Objectivists who misstate & misrepresent what Subjectivists honestly believe. Whether you are doing this intentionally or out of ignorance of what Subjectvists really believe, I don't know. However the reality is that true Subjectivists KNOW (not only believe) the differences they hear are actually there. They've proved this to themselves and often others. Thus they do NOT only THINK they hear a difference, but actually KNOW they do!

2) Then there is the "approach" of the Lunatic Fringe Objectivists. Who not only don't accept claims of differences just because someone like myself who KNOWS I hear a difference. Amazingly enough even though these Lunatic Fringe Objectivists, will not except my word I've passed tests, will not accept the witnesses who've seen me past these tests, they refuse to accept my challenge that I can and will PROVIDE PROOF to them personally, via blind tests!

These Lunatic Fringe Objectivists always whine about Subjectivists claims not being tested in front of objective witnesses and yet when the opportunity presented itself, they hid. I've offered to RBG, Pat D and AJinFLA to allow themselves to be the very ones who change the wires and correlate the data. Yet they all come up with a myriad of excuses of why they won't accept my challenge. I've repeated over & over, I WILL detect differences in wires everytime provided ONLY the wires are chamged. This test can be as blind as you can make it, BUT ONLY WIRES CAN BE CHANGED.

RBG ignorantly claims I am DEMANDING he come, when I ONLY offer the opportunity for him, because I won't accept the tests I've done for myself or the witnesses I provided him.

AJinFLA states that unless I allow an ABX comparator to be inserted into the system, to which I stated that requires inserting a new component that's unkown in it's sonic abilities, (thus it changes the system and makes it one I am not intimately familair with) In AJinFLA words "That's a piss-poor pathetic excuse." Yet AJinFLA's piss-poor pathetic excuse for not coming and making a wasted trip is "...this was more about me getting to hear something than you." Why did he use that excuse? Because I told him, we don't live that far apart & I wanted you to hear that not every system that uses tubes is "euphonically colored." So that statement was enough to prevent this Lunatic Fringe Objectivists from accepting my challenge.

andy19191 responded to my challenge with these comments: "I am afraid you cannot force people to be interested you will have to find a way to tempt them on their terms. If you can come up with unexpected and valid scientific data you will get a lot of interest from the scientific community." and "I would judge the chances (thetubeguy1954) can do this or is even interested in attempting it in a valid manner as zero hence my lack of interest."

So we see that to these Lunatic Fringe Objectivists my word isn't good enough, names of witnesses isn't good enough, offering to allow them to test me using my system, in my home (because I am intimately famailar with how it sounds) isn't good enough, offering to allow them to make it as blind as possible provided 1) no new components are inserted & 2) ONLY wires are changed isn't good enough.

The Lunatic Fringe Objectivists always whine about no witnesses and no valid data, yet when I offered them the opportunity to be witnesses and collect data, they hid. Why? Because it far easier for them to claim someone cannot hear differences if they don't accept their word, witnesses or offer of a live demonstration.

The reality is this... These Lunatic Fringe Objectivists don't want to know the truth, they want to appaer to be correct even when they are wrong. Afterall the real scientific approach would be to test EVERYONE who says they can hear differences. Otherwise how can you honestly rule out what they can and cannot hear?

When one of these Lunatic Fringe Objectivists accepts my challenge, I'll believe they want to learn the truth. Until that day comes, they are merely spouting their audio religon.

Thetubeguy1954

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