In Reply to: Required Reading on DA posted by Commuteman on May 4, 2004 at 10:29:46:
I would suggest a quick read of the article below. It CLEARLY shows the effects, at AUDIO bandwidths, of capacitor DA on line level electronics. Perhaps we can actually learn something, rather than simply arguing.......Been there, done that.
Would you like to see what Bob Pease himself had to say about DA in cable dielectrics at audio frequencies?
Yes, the model is IN CONCEPT valid for AC sines as well as for steps, but NOT important. See below.
Steve, lets' say a 100 ft stretch of speaker cable has 1000 pf. The soakage of a mylar cap of that size would be about 10 pF in series with 1 meg.
You drive this from an amplifer whose output impedance is lower than 1 ohm. In concept if you put this in a precision measuremnt system, you could measure perhaps as low as 0.01 dB of attenuation.
(YOU MUST AGREE - you certainly can't HEAR that kind of attenuation shift, 0.01 dB...)
But the soakage of 1 megohm, is below the 0.01dB by about a factor of 1000. If you want to wast your time by arguing with audio nuts about things that are 1000: 1 below the limits of MEASURABILITY - not to mention 100,000:1 belowthe limits of audibility --
-- BE MY GUEST, but don't waste MY time, OK?
Yeah, if you ran speaker cables not just 100 ft, but 10,000 ft. - and if you ran a rubber line cord that is perhaps 10 x worse than mylar - you might be able to measure it.
WHO CARES!
If you ran wire 900,000 feet, the soakage might IN CONCEPT become important, except the signal coming out the end would be distorted by some MUCH bigger effects, and the audio output would be INAUDIBLE.
Forget it.
Best regards. /rap
That's from an EMail I received from him a couple years ago.
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Follow Ups
- Re: Required Reading on DA - Steve Eddy 13:32:49 05/04/04 (52)
- Yep - Commuteman 15:02:00 05/04/04 (51)
- Re: Yep - Steve Eddy 18:25:29 05/04/04 (49)
- Wrong Tree, Wrong Forrest, and the AH articles is _still_ about DF, not DA - Jon Risch 20:40:17 05/05/04 (16)
- Re: Wrong Tree, Wrong Forrest, and the AH articles is _still_ about DF, not DA - john curl 15:18:06 05/06/04 (1)
- Re: Wrong Tree, Wrong Forrest, and the AH articles is _still_ about DF, not DA - jneutron 05:46:14 05/07/04 (0)
- it is useless to "demand" co-horts, Jon - jneutron 06:30:32 05/06/04 (9)
- Re: it is useless to "demand" co-horts, Jon - john curl 13:01:45 05/06/04 (4)
- Hmm...JC ? do you have a computer virus?? - jneutron 13:28:40 05/06/04 (3)
- Re: Hmm...JC ? do you have a computer virus?? - john curl 15:05:04 05/06/04 (2)
- Re: it is useless to "demand" co-horts, Jon - john curl 11:19:52 05/06/04 (1)
- Re: it is useless to "demand" co-horts, Jon - jneutron 11:59:31 05/06/04 (0)
- Ahh, John... - Commuteman 09:43:15 05/06/04 (1)
- Re: Ahh, John... - jneutron 10:08:27 05/06/04 (0)
- More red herrings - Steve Eddy 23:21:57 05/05/04 (3)
- Hey Steve - Commuteman 09:37:00 05/06/04 (2)
- Re: Hey Steve - Steve Eddy 12:49:35 05/06/04 (0)
- Re: Hey Steve - john curl 10:42:09 05/06/04 (0)
- I think you're looking in the wrong place - Commuteman 14:40:19 05/05/04 (1)
- Re: I think you're looking in the wrong place - Steve Eddy 19:51:10 05/05/04 (0)
- Re: Yep - jneutron 07:51:10 05/05/04 (29)
- Re: Yep - Steve Eddy 08:36:22 05/05/04 (28)
- Re: Yep - jneutron 09:05:17 05/05/04 (27)
- That's what I was referring to ..see the other post (nt) - Commuteman 14:41:49 05/05/04 (0)
- Re: Yep - Steve Eddy 10:22:12 05/05/04 (25)
- Whoa, Steve? - jneutron 12:25:44 05/06/04 (4)
- Re: Whoa, Steve? - Steve Eddy 13:00:36 05/06/04 (3)
- Re: Whoa, Steve? - jneutron 13:37:55 05/06/04 (2)
- Hmmm... - Commuteman 14:03:05 05/06/04 (1)
- Re: Hmmm... - jneutron 14:19:06 05/06/04 (0)
- Re: Yep - jneutron 11:54:32 05/05/04 (19)
- Re: Yep - Steve Eddy 12:42:21 05/05/04 (18)
- Re: Yep - jneutron 12:58:45 05/05/04 (17)
- Re: Yep - Steve Eddy 14:22:39 05/05/04 (16)
- Remember the point of the thread.... - Commuteman 14:53:51 05/05/04 (15)
- Re: Remember the point of the thread.... - john curl 23:04:55 05/05/04 (10)
- Obviously Jung and Wurcer were just brown-nosing... - Commuteman 09:49:13 05/06/04 (8)
- Re: SY in his own speak (John Curl's wire test) - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 16:11:05 05/11/04 (6)
- Same experience as mine - Commuteman 11:28:18 05/12/04 (5)
- Re: Same experience as mine - jneutron 06:22:30 05/13/04 (4)
- Did you mean.... - Commuteman 10:28:13 05/13/04 (3)
- Re: Did you mean.... - jneutron 12:18:30 05/13/04 (2)
- Re: Did you mean.... - Granholm 14:30:25 05/13/04 (0)
- Right - Commuteman 13:43:49 05/13/04 (0)
- Re: Obviously Jung and Wurcer were just brown-nosing... - john curl 10:52:06 05/06/04 (0)
- Re: Remember the point of the thread.... - Steve Eddy 00:14:05 05/06/04 (0)
- Re: Remember the point of the thread.... - Steve Eddy 19:30:43 05/05/04 (2)
- Re: Remember the point of the thread.... - Dan Banquer 12:35:47 05/06/04 (1)
- Agreed.... - Commuteman 13:27:26 05/06/04 (0)
- Re: Remember the point of the thread.... - john curl 15:59:28 05/05/04 (0)
- Re: Maybe? - Dan Banquer 17:50:22 05/04/04 (0)