In Reply to: He doesn't understand that posted by Ken Perkins on July 7, 2005 at 05:26:35:
on the proceedings at JREF over the GSIC testing you should be able to tell us why an organization that has stated their objective to be the discovery of truth would choose to blatantly lie about protocol negotiations.What purpose did that serve? As for a test date, I offered Aug. 1, 2005 and never deviated from that date being my preference. I did offer to move the date into June at a later point in an attempt at compromise. No one, and I mean no one, has ever been able to point to one instance of the waffling that JREF attempted to portray. One participant over there reviewed the record and publicly stated that he did not find any evidence to support the charges he assumed to be true. The reason he didn't find any specific instance was because there was none. If you'd care to research the matter you would find none also. The truth of the matter is I bent over backwards trying to negotiate a fair protocol while JREF over the same period practiced constant deception. I can provide the specifics to support my contentions regarding JREF misdeeds. Those that accuse me of waffling and obfuscation can not, end of story.
"Really, why lie?" was the subject title of a thread I started there to substaniate my claims. This substantiation was then deleted by the moderator, David Ratcliffe, who then later stated that I was making unsubstantiated charges against JREF. Steve Eddy started a thread over there entitled "Kramer is a big fat liar" which was also deleted by Mr. Ratcliffe. Kramer is the Challenge Facilitator at JREF. His title is a misnomer if there ever was one.
If my experience with JREF is indicative of their values and operations, the whole Randi Challenge business is a bogus and shameful enterprise, unworthy of being considered a real proposition.
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Follow Ups
- OK Ken, if you have such a firm grasp... - Wellfed 11:14:55 07/07/05 (21)
- You got it... - Ken Perkins 11:30:01 07/07/05 (18)
- All I can say.. - Wellfed 12:29:55 07/07/05 (17)
- Re: All I can say.. - Ken Perkins 12:45:15 07/07/05 (16)
- Ken, with all due respect... - Wellfed 13:01:14 07/07/05 (15)
- For the last time - Ken Perkins 13:34:18 07/07/05 (14)
- I viewed Kramer's lying... - Wellfed 14:14:29 07/07/05 (13)
- You know what? - Ken Perkins 14:51:03 07/07/05 (12)
- Eerily reminiscent actually... - Wellfed 15:48:36 07/07/05 (11)
- Thanks for those gentlemanly responses to the witless. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:16:39 07/08/05 (4)
- Hey, I happen to like Ken... - Wellfed 15:44:42 07/08/05 (3)
- I wuv ooh too...... - Ken Perkins 16:34:28 07/08/05 (1)
- It's tough for me to let it go at that... - Wellfed 20:44:28 07/08/05 (0)
- I wasn't thinking just about him. But in fact he's been lots ruder to me, than to you. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:14:44 07/09/05 (0)
- Thanks for the suggestion - Ken Perkins 10:28:06 07/08/05 (5)
- Did you play it last night? [nt] - Wellfed 12:10:29 07/08/05 (4)
- Re: Did you play it last night? [nt] - Ken Perkins 12:17:45 07/08/05 (3)
- I don't have a TT at the moment... - Wellfed 12:27:07 07/08/05 (2)
- NO turntable??? - Ken Perkins 12:47:56 07/08/05 (1)
- What would you expect ... - Wellfed 14:13:22 07/08/05 (0)
- Agreed, Kramer comes across as a right p**** - clifff 12:09:49 07/07/05 (1)
- I was beginning to consider the negotiations a waste of my time... - Wellfed 12:42:04 07/07/05 (0)