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In Reply to: RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. posted by rzigray@wrmills.com on June 15, 2009 at 15:58:54
Rudollf Zigray is mad because he decided to buy some cables from me and ended up with buyer remorse and tried to get his money back by claiming he didn't receive the cables.Mind you the USPS Delivery Confirmation Number(0308 2040 0000 3715 6177) says the cables were delivered to him. After days of threatning emails from Rudollf Zigray,I decided to meet him half way by offering him almost half of his money back and some cables since he no longer had any cables.This time I sent everything via FedEx Ground with Direct Signature and $1000.00 worth of insurance(FedEx tracking number 755667410061095).When this package was signed for and delivered he waits until I emailed him to tell me he received the package with cables,but no money.Rudolff Zigray tried to pull this stunt on Audiogon in 1999 and had to change his screen name because he ruined his reputation.
Also Rudolff Zigray file a dispute with Audiogon and lost now he is trying on Audioasylum...Rudy GET A LIFE!!!
Follow Ups:
Ok, a few things, from the A-gon dispute team (yea!) it appears that neither of you won or lost but that they bailed on the dispute with the reason given being vague and pretty much a cop out; great system. It also seems they have erased all neg. feedback, again great system.
Ernest proof the incident 1999 would be a good rather then just throwing it out there as it seems he has some to support his position. Also I'm not convinced about the 'buyers remorse', that is just speculation.The red flag though is Ernest has been in this business long enough to know to Cover Your Ass. Not sending a package insured with tracking numbers is just asking for problems, I would only ever do that with someone I know personally AFTER discussing it with them. Also sending cash to someone you suspect of ripping you off with the first package?!? Man, that is not kindness and weakness that is just not being real smart. Again you've been in the business long enough to know better, and if you didn't before you know now.
CPK,
When Rudy paid for the cables I told him I would ship the cables via USPS Priority with Delivery Confirmation, Rudy didn't request insurance or a signature nor did he say that I was using an inadequate shipping service.When I do insure an item it is against damage and cables are almost impossible to get damaged in transit so I never felt the need unless the customer requests it,which Rudy did not.I never thought to insure a package againt loss in the USA. I didn't insure any of the hundreds of pairs of cables sold prior to this incident and I never had a problem.
About sending cash with the cables,I initially didn't think Rudy scammed me the first time...I thought it could have been an honest mistake with the post office so I trusted him. After he received the second package and claimed no money,I knew he had scammed me both times.
I did learn a valuable lesson,and that is when a shipper says an item was delivered beleive them!
Rudolffzigray vs Audiophile36: Other transaction related problem
Problem: Other transaction related problem
06-11-2009: Rudolffzigray initiated process
06-12-2009: Audiophile36 submitted response
Rudolffzigray describes the events as follows:
I am reporting a scam by another member. I have already been in contact with another member who was a victim of the same scam.
On 5/14/09 I sent Audiophile36 $861.00 via PayPal for a pair of Audience AU 24e speaker cables listed on your site.
On 5/21/09 I still have not received the package. I contacted the Seller and checked through all my emails and found only a delivery confirmation number that the seller called a tracking number, 0308 2040 0000 3715 6177. When I checked on the package via USPS, the site told me my package was delivered on Tuesday. I was at my PayPal shipping address all day and no package of any kind was delivered that day. I contacted the USPS via phone immediately and they told me that the service Audiophile36 used, does not require a signature, can not be tracked and has no address attached to the confirmation number. They could not provide me any information on the package, weight, dimensions, nothing. Also, there was no insurance on the 861 dollar speaker cables. I couldn’t believe it.
I contacted the seller immediately and asked why he used an inadequate shipping service. He replied,
I'm very sorry for this inconvenience. I have heard of the horror stories concerning USPS,but I use them almost every time and have never had any problems like this before. I checked the tracking number and it did say it was delivered. I have your address written down on the delivery confirmation slip, and it matches your confirmed PayPal address. You are out of $861.00 and I am out of the cables....this sucks for us both
If you simply look at his feedback this is a lie. I prove it below. He has had issues with the USPS. How am I out 861 dollars he has my money? Also he continues to use the term tracking number when it is not.
In another email he states…
Anyhow, give me a couple days to see what happened to the package,worse case scenario I can offer you $861.00 worth of my Golden speaker cables and interconnects shipped via FedEx Ground.
Why give me your cables? How about my money? Sell your cables and give me my money.
I again tell him that the service he used was inadequate, that no member with his experience would ship an item worth 861 dollars without insurance or a direct signature. He also made claims that he sent a tracking number when in fact it is simply a delivery confirmation number. There was no way to track the item and no delivery address can be looked up, or any information for that matter with the number he provided. I told him that I did not want 861 dollars worth of his cables, I want a full refund.
The seller did not seem concerned with the situation, his emails were very nonchalant and he made no effort that I could tell, to try and locate the package. I did everything in my power to get information from the USPS and it was hopeless. The service he used to ship the package, gave the USPS no liability what so ever. The package was shipped with no value what so ever.
In my frustration, I continued to email the seller the first 48hrs to try and resolve the issue. I asked him to call me.
Audiophile36 emails me
Bottom line...I will not refund a purchase that according to USPS was delivered to you.Now if you can forward me some proof from the postal service that your cables didn't arrive,I will be willing to work out a refund.
I file a dispute with PayPal and the seller sends me another email
I will no longer work with you because you filed a claim with paypal,I will let paypal handle this. I'm pretty confident that I will not be held responsible for you not receiving your cables. In the mean time,you will still be out of $861.00,so I don't see the point.
To make us both happy,I will honor my offer of $400.00 plus a pair of my Super Helix Gold speaker cables in the length of your choice,plus two pair of matching interconnects if you cancel the paypal dispute.
So I cancel my PayPal dispute. At this point I am simply relieved to be getting something back. I failed to realize when I drop the complaint, I could never re-open it. Audiophile36 understood it, the representative for PayPal told me so. Apparently I am not the first. They did submit everything to their Fraud department and I was advised to contact the FBI
After a week, June 2nd, I still don’t have 400 dollars or the cables… I email him asking how long it will be and he tells me he is waiting on spades. I say use bananas and please ship. We agreed in several emails to use a Postal Money order for my refund. I tell him to simply include a postal money order with my cables in the package. When I finally get the package, I opened it up and all that is in there were cables, no money order? I immediately email him and ask where my money order is? Audiophile36 tells me he put 400 dollars cash in the envelope with my cables. The cables came in a shipping envelope, he told me he put 400 dollars in between the cables. Who would put 400 dollars cash in a shipping envelope when he supposedly just had an issue where a package disappeared out of thin air??
See this whole thing just doesn’t smell right, so I start to investigate and I come across another member who had the same experience as I did with Audiophile36. He bought an item that was not his cables. He never received the package. And audiophile36 gave him a partial refund and some of his cables… Here is a copy and paste. I have only taken out a few specifics so he can not be identify if this dispute gets posted. In case this ends up on your site for other members input. I believe he would like to remain anonymous at this time. I could ask him to come forward? The member did leave feedback for Audiophile36 and talks about a problem with USPS in Janurary of this year.
Hello. My comments refer to a situation where I bought an
expensive ($500+)cd player from him and never received it. After
much back and forth with both ELF and USPS, I am still undecided about what
happened.
ELF said he shipped it to me but could not provide relevant backup data. He
said he did not keep USPS receipts for long. USPS said the tracking number
provided by ELF was for a very small package- a cable, I believe, which is
what I think he mainly sells- sent around the time of my "scheduled"
delivery to a nearby address, but not MY address. He said the
package was insured, but that USPS would not pay up on the insurance because
the package WAS in fact delivered, just not my package (which would have
weighed 20 lbs).
Since his documentation was fuzzy and the USPS had their documentation
painting a different story, I tentatively concluded that ELF had never
mailed a package TO ME (I have a 90% feeling this). However, there is a
slight chance (10%) that he told the truth and the USPS lost the package.
ELF did work out a deal with me involving some cash back and a few sets of
his Gold Helix ICs. These came through OK and the product is good.
That is my view on things.
See Audiophile36 is running a small scam on your website and using his positive feedback as leverage, its pretty genius actually. He is listing items other than his cable’s that he knows will sell. The items are in the 500-1000 dollar range. Not enough to really piss someone off and not too little to be a waste of time. All of his items at the time had pictures except for the Au 24e cables I bought off him, because he didn’t have them. I have detailed pictures of his listings that show all his listing with pictures except my item I purchased. He then ships a package or envelope with a service you can’t track to a location nearby. When it’s delivered he uses the worthless delivery confirmation number as an argument. After the buyer realizes he or she could be screwed. Audiophile36 offers some money back and his cheap cables. The Buyer is relieved to be getting something and the scam goes unnoticed. Audiophile36 gets to sell some of his inexpensive cables at a very good price. In my case, a very very good price. Otherwise why wouldn’t he just sell some of his cables and give you a full refund?
I am certain there are more people out there with the same experience. Audiophile36 has not provided me with any documentation. I have asked for documentation several times and nothing. I would like to see the actual receipt and paper work of the AU 24e cables. He should be able to provide the original documentation that states he shipped a package to my address. Not an address near by.
Now I am not sure what stunts this gentleman is going to try and pull. He calls me the Scam Artist. He may have more positive feedback than me, but my feedback is very good and it has come from transactions worth thousands of dollars. Not from selling 100 dollar cables. This gentleman is using his positive feedback to exploit other members to indirectly buy his cables at a high price. I was totally convinced he made a foolish mistake at first. I am now convinced that nothing could be further from the truth.
I spoke with this gentleman on the phone. His character also validates my conclusions. There are also threads on audioasylum regarding concerns for the validity of his advertisements. Meaning is the materials stated in his ad, actually used?
Please do not allow this to go unnoticed. I have never had an issue on your site and I have been a member as far back as 1999 under a different username. My original username and password were lost when I took a hiatus.
He never sent my item in the first place. He lied about never having issues with the USPS service he used. He then strikes a deal for a 400 dollar money order and his cables. When I received the envelope there is no money order, just cables. His claim to fame now is that he put 400 dollars in the envelope with the cables. He has no documentation of the original shipment.
He now states he is done, that I am a scam artist that has his AU 24e cables, Money and his elf cables. When I sent him the other members email and exposed his scam, he has disappeared.
Rudolffzigray is requesting the following resultion:
I would love a full refund, but I doubt I will get it.
I believe this gentlemans account should be suspended permanently.
Negative feedback as well.
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Audiophile36 describes the events as follows:
I sent Rudolffzigray the Au24e speaker cables on May 15th which according to the post office was delivered to him on May 17th the USPS tracking number for all to see is 0308 2040 0000 3715 6177. He later emails me and says that he didn't receive the cables,so I checked the tracking number and it clearly says it was delivered to him. After several emails back and forth,I decided that I would give him $400 of his money back and some of my cables to make him happy. I gave Rudy $400 cash a 10ft pair of speaker cables,a 1M and 2M pair of interconnects.This time I shipped it via Fedex with Signature confirmation and $1000.00 insurance. I checked the tracking number to see when the package was delivered and I emailed Him the day it was signed for to see if he has received the package. Rudy did not reply to the email until the next day stating that he received the cables,but no money. I asked Rudolffzigray did the package appear to be tampered with in any way and he says no,I asked Rudolffzigray did any body else handle the package and Rudolffzigray states he was the only person at his address the time of delivery. I found that strange and checked the tracking info on the FedEx website and found out the package was signed for by a B Hodge,not Rudolffzigray. I actually thought that it may have been an honest mistake with the post office,until I shipped his partial refund and cables with Fedex with Direct Signature and $1000.00 insurance only for him to claim he got the cables,but no money.Bottom line Rudolffzigray is a scam artist who took my kindness for a weakness and got a free pair of Au24e speaker cables, three pair of my cables and $400.00.
I have been selling on Audiogon for the past 7 years and have earned great feedback and a great reputation and if anyone checks my feedback,I have completed several positive transactions since this Rudolffzigray incident. Rudolffzigray on the other hand has limited feedback and has nowhere near the volume of transactions I have on Audiogon and should not be trusted.
If anybody wants to view all the shipping details pertaining to this dispute please see below.
The USPS Delivery Confirmation number for Au24e speaker cables:0308 2040 0000 3715 6177
FedEx tracking Number for refund and cables:755667410061095
Audiophile36's proposed resolution:
This matter should be dismissed and Rudolffzigray account should be permanately suspended for fraud.
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Rudolffzigray's rebuttal:
Again, does anyone find it funny that a member with so much experience as he states, ships an 861 dollar item with no insurance, no tracking number, no direct signature. The number that audiophile36 refers to as a delivery confirmation number is 0308 2040 0000 3715 6177 tells us nothing. It is the same thing he used with the other member. When I asked him why he used such an inadequate service, he tells me he never had a problem with USPS or the service he used. He says he heard the horror stories though, of course. In his feedback in January of 09, it states he had a problem. I will simply ask one question, and one question only. Show me the paperwork that states you sent a box, (what he tells me, 10x12x12 brown box) to my address....
XXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX
...on May 15th, and I will walk away. An absolute original document, not a modified copy.
He avoids this question and keeps pointing to the delivery confirmation number. The United States Post Office can not tell me anything about this number. No address, no description, no weight, no nothing. Because he shipped an empty box or envelope to a nearby location. He knew with his feedback and offering me cables he could get away with it. He has done it before.
Look at my original posts where he says, Worst case scenario I will give you 861 dollars of my cables...When I refuse, he tells me he wont work with me. When I file a complaint with paypal, he writes, too make us both happy! I will give you 400 dollars and some of my cables...
Now he says he did it out of kindness.
I am telling you, he is running a small scam periodically with members. There are more people out there.
Also, now he states I said I was the only one there when the package was received. I never said that... and its irrelevant. He says I have limited feedback? I have completed over 60 transactions and a feedback rating of 200+ all positive. I did not acquire this feedback selling 100 dollar cables that I twist with a drill in my home. It comes from selling gear, costing thousands of dollars. I am especially known for selling moving coil cartridges. The ultimate test of ones character. Because of the limited life, and easy to fudge condition of these items. If you were to ad up the cost of our transactions, mine will easily out weigh Audiophile36. I have no reason to try and scam anyone out of 861 dollars. No way. He states, I got a free pair of Au24e speaker cables, three pair of my cables and $400.00. If this were actually true, wouldnt that be enough? Now I want to dispute it on audiogon and expose my scam? Come on this guy is too much. The reason I am here and initiated a dispute is because I have been scammed.
Why would I take this angle. Because I know he is running a scam. You can buy all the ELF cables you want...that is a safe bet. He will, by all means, sell you his cables. But when he needs a little extra money, he lists an item other than his cables and pulls this crap. Also when this all first went down, I took a picture of all his listings (there were several). All the listings had pictures except the AU 24e cables. I have these pictures and can offer email them to whoever. I have another member, with the exact same incident, who was 90 percent sure Audiophile36 did not send him anything and he left positive feedback because he was simply relieved to get something. Its the perfect scam. What was he doing with AU24e cables anyway...the hottest selling cable under a thousand dollars. Surely no body traded these cables for his. Can he give us the member he bought them from? Audiogon, you should see this transaction in his feedback. You keep very accurate records of the items bought, sold and their cost. Did he buy a 10' pair of AU 24e cables off another member?
Of course in the recent month that this transaction transpired he has beefed up his odd items selling tubes of little worth to generate positive feedback to make it look like he is an honest member with items besides his cables and he makes sure he mentions it.
Members please look at the facts........
Irregardless, the bottom line is, he sent an 861 dollar item without insurance and without a direct signature requirement. He used a service that cannot be tracked. He shipped an $861 dollar item inadequately and now he is helping me out with his cables.
He placed no liability on the shipper and took a risk with my 861 dollars. If he actually did ship my Au 24e cables, (which I doubt) he simply put them in a box and took them to the post office and told the USPS that this box is of no consequence. It has no value and there for there is no risk in shipping it. Do with it as you wish. Every member here with significant feedback would never do such a thing...never. Not with a pair of cables that list for 1800 and were just sold for 861 dollars.
He told me he would work with me after I filed a complaint with paypal: 400 dollars and some of his cables if I drop the complaint. I am not unreasonable, so I accept his offer even though I did not and do not want his cables. I want my AU 24e cables. When I finally get the envelope, that's right an envelope, it has the cables but no money order. I specifically asked for a money order. He tells me he put cash, because he dont have a receipt for the money order either.
Who puts 400 dollars CASH in an envelope and ships it? Nobody!,and he didnt either. How can anyone believe this?
Please look through his feedback and confirmation number, he is hiding behind it.
I am now out 861 dollars, and have nothing to show for it but his golden helix speaker cables and two pair of interconnects. They were twisted with a drill, they have no insulation, and are not gold. They have no value...If I put them all on audiogon I would be lucky to get 200 dollars. I am stuck with them.
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Rudolffzigray vs Audiophile36: Other transaction related problem
Problem: Other transaction related problem
06-11-2009: Rudolffzigray initiated process
06-12-2009: Audiophile36 submitted response
Rudolffzigray describes the events as follows:
I am reporting a scam by another member. I have already been in contact with another member who was a victim of the same scam.
On 5/14/09 I sent Audiophile36 $861.00 via PayPal for a pair of Audience AU 24e speaker cables listed on your site.
On 5/21/09 I still have not received the package. I contacted the Seller and checked through all my emails and found only a delivery confirmation number that the seller called a tracking number, 0308 2040 0000 3715 6177. When I checked on the package via USPS, the site told me my package was delivered on Tuesday. I was at my PayPal shipping address all day and no package of any kind was delivered that day. I contacted the USPS via phone immediately and they told me that the service Audiophile36 used, does not require a signature, can not be tracked and has no address attached to the confirmation number. They could not provide me any information on the package, weight, dimensions, nothing. Also, there was no insurance on the 861 dollar speaker cables. I couldn’t believe it.
I contacted the seller immediately and asked why he used an inadequate shipping service. He replied,
I'm very sorry for this inconvenience. I have heard of the horror stories concerning USPS,but I use them almost every time and have never had any problems like this before. I checked the tracking number and it did say it was delivered. I have your address written down on the delivery confirmation slip, and it matches your confirmed PayPal address. You are out of $861.00 and I am out of the cables....this sucks for us both
If you simply look at his feedback this is a lie. I prove it below. He has had issues with the USPS. How am I out 861 dollars he has my money? Also he continues to use the term tracking number when it is not.
In another email he states…
Anyhow, give me a couple days to see what happened to the package,worse case scenario I can offer you $861.00 worth of my Golden speaker cables and interconnects shipped via FedEx Ground.
Why give me your cables? How about my money? Sell your cables and give me my money.
I again tell him that the service he used was inadequate, that no member with his experience would ship an item worth 861 dollars without insurance or a direct signature. He also made claims that he sent a tracking number when in fact it is simply a delivery confirmation number. There was no way to track the item and no delivery address can be looked up, or any information for that matter with the number he provided. I told him that I did not want 861 dollars worth of his cables, I want a full refund.
The seller did not seem concerned with the situation, his emails were very nonchalant and he made no effort that I could tell, to try and locate the package. I did everything in my power to get information from the USPS and it was hopeless. The service he used to ship the package, gave the USPS no liability what so ever. The package was shipped with no value what so ever.
In my frustration, I continued to email the seller the first 48hrs to try and resolve the issue. I asked him to call me.
Audiophile36 emails me
Bottom line...I will not refund a purchase that according to USPS was delivered to you.Now if you can forward me some proof from the postal service that your cables didn't arrive,I will be willing to work out a refund.
I file a dispute with PayPal and the seller sends me another email
I will no longer work with you because you filed a claim with paypal,I will let paypal handle this. I'm pretty confident that I will not be held responsible for you not receiving your cables. In the mean time,you will still be out of $861.00,so I don't see the point.
To make us both happy,I will honor my offer of $400.00 plus a pair of my Super Helix Gold speaker cables in the length of your choice,plus two pair of matching interconnects if you cancel the paypal dispute.
So I cancel my PayPal dispute. At this point I am simply relieved to be getting something back. I failed to realize when I drop the complaint, I could never re-open it. Audiophile36 understood it, the representative for PayPal told me so. Apparently I am not the first. They did submit everything to their Fraud department and I was advised to contact the FBI
After a week, June 2nd, I still don’t have 400 dollars or the cables… I email him asking how long it will be and he tells me he is waiting on spades. I say use bananas and please ship. We agreed in several emails to use a Postal Money order for my refund. I tell him to simply include a postal money order with my cables in the package. When I finally get the package, I opened it up and all that is in there were cables, no money order? I immediately email him and ask where my money order is? Audiophile36 tells me he put 400 dollars cash in the envelope with my cables. The cables came in a shipping envelope, he told me he put 400 dollars in between the cables. Who would put 400 dollars cash in a shipping envelope when he supposedly just had an issue where a package disappeared out of thin air??
See this whole thing just doesn’t smell right, so I start to investigate and I come across another member who had the same experience as I did with Audiophile36. He bought an item that was not his cables. He never received the package. And audiophile36 gave him a partial refund and some of his cables… Here is a copy and paste. I have only taken out a few specifics so he can not be identify if this dispute gets posted. In case this ends up on your site for other members input. I believe he would like to remain anonymous at this time. I could ask him to come forward? The member did leave feedback for Audiophile36 and talks about a problem with USPS in Janurary of this year.
Hello. My comments refer to a situation where I bought an
expensive ($500+)cd player from him and never received it. After
much back and forth with both ELF and USPS, I am still undecided about what
happened.
ELF said he shipped it to me but could not provide relevant backup data. He
said he did not keep USPS receipts for long. USPS said the tracking number
provided by ELF was for a very small package- a cable, I believe, which is
what I think he mainly sells- sent around the time of my "scheduled"
delivery to a nearby address, but not MY address. He said the
package was insured, but that USPS would not pay up on the insurance because
the package WAS in fact delivered, just not my package (which would have
weighed 20 lbs).
Since his documentation was fuzzy and the USPS had their documentation
painting a different story, I tentatively concluded that ELF had never
mailed a package TO ME (I have a 90% feeling this). However, there is a
slight chance (10%) that he told the truth and the USPS lost the package.
ELF did work out a deal with me involving some cash back and a few sets of
his Gold Helix ICs. These came through OK and the product is good.
That is my view on things.
See Audiophile36 is running a small scam on your website and using his positive feedback as leverage, its pretty genius actually. He is listing items other than his cable’s that he knows will sell. The items are in the 500-1000 dollar range. Not enough to really piss someone off and not too little to be a waste of time. All of his items at the time had pictures except for the Au 24e cables I bought off him, because he didn’t have them. I have detailed pictures of his listings that show all his listing with pictures except my item I purchased. He then ships a package or envelope with a service you can’t track to a location nearby. When it’s delivered he uses the worthless delivery confirmation number as an argument. After the buyer realizes he or she could be screwed. Audiophile36 offers some money back and his cheap cables. The Buyer is relieved to be getting something and the scam goes unnoticed. Audiophile36 gets to sell some of his inexpensive cables at a very good price. In my case, a very very good price. Otherwise why wouldn’t he just sell some of his cables and give you a full refund?
I am certain there are more people out there with the same experience. Audiophile36 has not provided me with any documentation. I have asked for documentation several times and nothing. I would like to see the actual receipt and paper work of the AU 24e cables. He should be able to provide the original documentation that states he shipped a package to my address. Not an address near by.
Now I am not sure what stunts this gentleman is going to try and pull. He calls me the Scam Artist. He may have more positive feedback than me, but my feedback is very good and it has come from transactions worth thousands of dollars. Not from selling 100 dollar cables. This gentleman is using his positive feedback to exploit other members to indirectly buy his cables at a high price. I was totally convinced he made a foolish mistake at first. I am now convinced that nothing could be further from the truth.
I spoke with this gentleman on the phone. His character also validates my conclusions. There are also threads on audioasylum regarding concerns for the validity of his advertisements. Meaning is the materials stated in his ad, actually used?
Please do not allow this to go unnoticed. I have never had an issue on your site and I have been a member as far back as 1999 under a different username. My original username and password were lost when I took a hiatus.
He never sent my item in the first place. He lied about never having issues with the USPS service he used. He then strikes a deal for a 400 dollar money order and his cables. When I received the envelope there is no money order, just cables. His claim to fame now is that he put 400 dollars in the envelope with the cables. He has no documentation of the original shipment.
He now states he is done, that I am a scam artist that has his AU 24e cables, Money and his elf cables. When I sent him the other members email and exposed his scam, he has disappeared.
Rudolffzigray is requesting the following resultion:
I would love a full refund, but I doubt I will get it.
I believe this gentlemans account should be suspended permanently.
Negative feedback as well.
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Audiophile36 describes the events as follows:
I sent Rudolffzigray the Au24e speaker cables on May 15th which according to the post office was delivered to him on May 17th the USPS tracking number for all to see is 0308 2040 0000 3715 6177. He later emails me and says that he didn't receive the cables,so I checked the tracking number and it clearly says it was delivered to him. After several emails back and forth,I decided that I would give him $400 of his money back and some of my cables to make him happy. I gave Rudy $400 cash a 10ft pair of speaker cables,a 1M and 2M pair of interconnects.This time I shipped it via Fedex with Signature confirmation and $1000.00 insurance. I checked the tracking number to see when the package was delivered and I emailed Him the day it was signed for to see if he has received the package. Rudy did not reply to the email until the next day stating that he received the cables,but no money. I asked Rudolffzigray did the package appear to be tampered with in any way and he says no,I asked Rudolffzigray did any body else handle the package and Rudolffzigray states he was the only person at his address the time of delivery. I found that strange and checked the tracking info on the FedEx website and found out the package was signed for by a B Hodge,not Rudolffzigray. I actually thought that it may have been an honest mistake with the post office,until I shipped his partial refund and cables with Fedex with Direct Signature and $1000.00 insurance only for him to claim he got the cables,but no money.Bottom line Rudolffzigray is a scam artist who took my kindness for a weakness and got a free pair of Au24e speaker cables, three pair of my cables and $400.00.
I have been selling on Audiogon for the past 7 years and have earned great feedback and a great reputation and if anyone checks my feedback,I have completed several positive transactions since this Rudolffzigray incident. Rudolffzigray on the other hand has limited feedback and has nowhere near the volume of transactions I have on Audiogon and should not be trusted.
If anybody wants to view all the shipping details pertaining to this dispute please see below.
The USPS Delivery Confirmation number for Au24e speaker cables:0308 2040 0000 3715 6177
FedEx tracking Number for refund and cables:755667410061095
Audiophile36's proposed resolution:
This matter should be dismissed and Rudolffzigray account should be permanately suspended for fraud.
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Rudolffzigray's rebuttal:
Again, does anyone find it funny that a member with so much experience as he states, ships an 861 dollar item with no insurance, no tracking number, no direct signature. The number that audiophile36 refers to as a delivery confirmation number is 0308 2040 0000 3715 6177 tells us nothing. It is the same thing he used with the other member. When I asked him why he used such an inadequate service, he tells me he never had a problem with USPS or the service he used. He says he heard the horror stories though, of course. In his feedback in January of 09, it states he had a problem. I will simply ask one question, and one question only. Show me the paperwork that states you sent a box, (what he tells me, 10x12x12 brown box) to my address....
XXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX
...on May 15th, and I will walk away. An absolute original document, not a modified copy.
He avoids this question and keeps pointing to the delivery confirmation number. The United States Post Office can not tell me anything about this number. No address, no description, no weight, no nothing. Because he shipped an empty box or envelope to a nearby location. He knew with his feedback and offering me cables he could get away with it. He has done it before.
Look at my original posts where he says, Worst case scenario I will give you 861 dollars of my cables...When I refuse, he tells me he wont work with me. When I file a complaint with paypal, he writes, too make us both happy! I will give you 400 dollars and some of my cables...
Now he says he did it out of kindness.
I am telling you, he is running a small scam periodically with members. There are more people out there.
Also, now he states I said I was the only one there when the package was received. I never said that... and its irrelevant. He says I have limited feedback? I have completed over 60 transactions and a feedback rating of 200+ all positive. I did not acquire this feedback selling 100 dollar cables that I twist with a drill in my home. It comes from selling gear, costing thousands of dollars. I am especially known for selling moving coil cartridges. The ultimate test of ones character. Because of the limited life, and easy to fudge condition of these items. If you were to ad up the cost of our transactions, mine will easily out weigh Audiophile36. I have no reason to try and scam anyone out of 861 dollars. No way. He states, I got a free pair of Au24e speaker cables, three pair of my cables and $400.00. If this were actually true, wouldnt that be enough? Now I want to dispute it on audiogon and expose my scam? Come on this guy is too much. The reason I am here and initiated a dispute is because I have been scammed.
Why would I take this angle. Because I know he is running a scam. You can buy all the ELF cables you want...that is a safe bet. He will, by all means, sell you his cables. But when he needs a little extra money, he lists an item other than his cables and pulls this crap. Also when this all first went down, I took a picture of all his listings (there were several). All the listings had pictures except the AU 24e cables. I have these pictures and can offer email them to whoever. I have another member, with the exact same incident, who was 90 percent sure Audiophile36 did not send him anything and he left positive feedback because he was simply relieved to get something. Its the perfect scam. What was he doing with AU24e cables anyway...the hottest selling cable under a thousand dollars. Surely no body traded these cables for his. Can he give us the member he bought them from? Audiogon, you should see this transaction in his feedback. You keep very accurate records of the items bought, sold and their cost. Did he buy a 10' pair of AU 24e cables off another member?
Of course in the recent month that this transaction transpired he has beefed up his odd items selling tubes of little worth to generate positive feedback to make it look like he is an honest member with items besides his cables and he makes sure he mentions it.
Members please look at the facts........
Irregardless, the bottom line is, he sent an 861 dollar item without insurance and without a direct signature requirement. He used a service that cannot be tracked. He shipped an $861 dollar item inadequately and now he is helping me out with his cables.
He placed no liability on the shipper and took a risk with my 861 dollars. If he actually did ship my Au 24e cables, (which I doubt) he simply put them in a box and took them to the post office and told the USPS that this box is of no consequence. It has no value and there for there is no risk in shipping it. Do with it as you wish. Every member here with significant feedback would never do such a thing...never. Not with a pair of cables that list for 1800 and were just sold for 861 dollars.
He told me he would work with me after I filed a complaint with paypal: 400 dollars and some of his cables if I drop the complaint. I am not unreasonable, so I accept his offer even though I did not and do not want his cables. I want my AU 24e cables. When I finally get the envelope, that's right an envelope, it has the cables but no money order. I specifically asked for a money order. He tells me he put cash, because he dont have a receipt for the money order either.
Who puts 400 dollars CASH in an envelope and ships it? Nobody!,and he didnt either. How can anyone believe this?
Please look through his feedback and confirmation number, he is hiding behind it.
I am now out 861 dollars, and have nothing to show for it but his golden helix speaker cables and two pair of interconnects. They were twisted with a drill, they have no insulation, and are not gold. They have no value...If I put them all on audiogon I would be lucky to get 200 dollars. I am stuck with them.
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As of 06-14-2009, Audiogon is requesting input from members regarding this dispute.
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Ernest dear you cant put the actual email on this site love. You arent allowed to list email addresses numb nuts.
Theres more but thats enough...Oh by the way he made me cancel the paypal dispute in order to get some of his shitty cables...this is a copy and paste from troll boy...
To make us both happy,I will honor my offer of $400.00 plus a pair of my
> > Super Helix Gold speaker cables in the length of your choice,plus two
> > pair of matching interconnects if you cancel the paypal dispute.
> > Kind Regards,
> > Ernest Lee Farley III of ELF Audio
> > paypal email address:ernestfarley@att.net
Better yet look at this one people, scum bag for sure...
Hello Rudy,
I've been at Cedar Point with the family all day today and we just got home,boy am I tired. We have a deal my friend,$400 plus some cables.
Please cancel the paypal dispute,so we can move on to getting you some cables and your $400 refund. This go around I will ship your cables via FedEx ground with insurance and signature confirmation.
Hopefully the cables turn up at some point...talk to you soon Rudy.
Kind Regards,
Ernest Lee Farley III of ELF Audio
paypal email address:ernestfarley@att.net
There you go again telling lies again Rudy
Rudy wrote:
"Ernest dear you cant put the actual email on this site love. You arent allowed to list email addresses numb nuts."
You just copied and pasted two of my emails which clearly show my email address numb nuts.
I tried to include the all the addresses that the emails were sent to, and this site took me to another page and had the addresses marked in red, and they were a problem. Of course i also took the time to take out a few letters of each address for privacy reasons.
Rudy,you are fumbling over your lies again...NOBODY BELIEVES YOU!
See Elf Audio Jumps to another lie, Here is the results...
Rudolffzigray and Audiophile36,
Audiogon has considered your dispute:
Requested by: Rudolffzigray
Response by: Audiophile36
Transaction: Audience 24e speaker cables 10' pair
Complaint: Other transaction related problem
After careful consideration of all available facts,
Audiogon has arrived at a Resolution of your Dispute.
RESOLUTION AS RECORDED IN BOTH ACCOUNTS:
==
We sent this dispute to the forums for member input.
Unfortunately, we found a serious irregularity concerning the input to this thread.
Due to this irregularity we will be canceling this dispute.
Rudolffzigray and Audiophile36 will need to seek a remedy to this situation outside of Audiogon.
The only action which Audiogon considers appropriate in this dispute is to remove any negative feedback which either or both parties have left or are contemplating leaving in the other parties file. These negative feedbacks will be removed immediately.
Audiogon Dispute staff
==
Please note that Audiogon's decisions are final. Both parties were afforded considerable resources in an effort to resolve this dispute. We expect that one or both parties will not be happy with our decision. Unfortunately, we are not able to consider any further "appeals" to Audiogon's final resolution. At this time, Audiogon staff will proceed with any actions prescribed above, and then consider this matter clos
Rudy says:
"See Elf Audio Jumps to another lie, Here is the results..."
Audiogon says:
"Unfortunately, we found a serious irregularity concerning the input to this thread.
Due to this irregularity we will be canceling this dispute."
Rudy,you listened to the cables for four days and decided you needed the money more than the cables...so you decided to try and get your money back by saying you never received them. You tried to do it again when I shipped your partial refund and cables via fedex...but this time I got Direct Signature so you couldn't claim you didn't get the package...mysteriously the cables were there,but no money...yeah right!
Rudy you even tried to re-open the paypal dispute after we made a deal for $400 cash and cables...good thing paypal was hip to your shady ethics and denied you.
Rudy you should have been honest and simply told me you needed the money and returned the cables for a refund,but no you tried to keep the cables and get your money back...shame on you!
To further clarify the "we found a serious irregularity concerning the input to this thread." It was about the input to this thread not the thread itself. There was a resounding response from members and audiogon thought that I notified members to place input in my favor, thats why audiogon canceled the input not the thread. They did not post any input from other members because they thought I asked members to post in my corner, when infact I contacted members and notified them of the dispute and asked them to make up there minds for themselves.
Here is a copy of the email that went out. These were also members that I know but are not necessarily friends. We had no transaction or feedback exchanged.
I am currently
> in a dispute on audiogon. It is located in the dispute forum,
> go to forums and click the dispute link. Again if you have time, I
> would like you to look at the facts and come up with a conclusion. I am
> not asking you to side with me, I would never do that. Just look at the
> facts and decide for yourself. Audiogon is now asking for other members
> input on my dispute.
This was the mistake I made. I did not realize audiogon holds the input until there is a signifigant amount of posts so no one is influenced by one post. I thought no one was looking at the dispute.
So what happen was, they had an over whelming interest in this dispute and it must of been one sided obviously... and thats why they refused to continue it.
Of course the Elf Child is full of joy and is carelessly making mistakes in this thread. I have nothing more to proove I just want people to be aware. I am sure the troll will not try the scam again if there is enough public awareness. I want to hurt his pockets...I got 500 bucks thats says he collects unemployment.
Furthermore, I will be listing Free Elf Audio Cables this weekend. Be on the look out...all who inquire about the free cables will get a warning. The first 3 will get a warning and some fools gold cables.
Wow Rudy...boy are you desperate!
Why would Audiogon cancel a dispute because people were giving their honest opinions,when in fact that is exactly what Audiogon was asking from members? Why in the world would audiogon think you put people up to posting in your corner?
Better yet,how could Audiogon even know you contacted anybody and told them anything about the dispute? Another one of your pathetic attemps to manipulate reality down the drain.
Rudy you are making a lot of mistakes,like the time when you tried to re-open the cancelled paypal dispute after we struck a deal. I checked with paypal and you tried to re-open the dispute the same day I sent you the FedEx tracking number...you didn't even wait to get the package before you were up to your shady tactics.
Desperate for what troll, my money... here is a copy and paste.
I want to thank everyone who did go to the dispute and offer there opinions. I apologize but I should of never asked you to go. Even though I did not ask you to side with me, audiogon felt that I did. Apparently there was a resounding agreement with my side and audiogon felt I did something unethical. They are not used to seeing that much interest in a dispute and thats what triggered there paranoia. Apparently they dont have a whole lot to do. So they conjure up complexities to rally against. Anyways, you know me, I dont give up that easily. There is a thread on audioasylum right now, that you may find interesting...Just look at the cables forum.
I will be listing free elf audio cables this weekend but I dont suspect any of you would be interested.
Also if these emails are starting to piss you off, just email me back and kindly say "shut the ---- up" and I will refrain from contacting you in the future...
Cheers
Rudolff
Rudy those aren't even emails...you are just typing in what you are imagining in that diabolical head of yours...talking to yourself in third person...wow!
That is the biggest piece of crap I have ever read...nobody believs the rubbish you are typing...not paypal,not Audiogon...not anybody!
According to you I don't get any business so why in the heck would there be sooooo much intrest in the dispute forum on Audiogon? There was not a single reply by any member...AGAIN GET A LIFE!
Having just noticed this thread, I need to interject a couple of things, as a response here and to one other of mr. elf's posts below. These will serve to undermine mr. elf's credibility, not that he isn't doing an excellent job of that himself.
The emails Rudy has posted here are legitimate, and verbatim copies of the ones I received yesterday, so, contrary to what mr. elf is seemingly so desperate to have people believe, they are not 'imagined', and people should believe what Rudy 'is typing' because it is not 'rubbish', it is the truth.
mr. elf then states that 'there was not a single reply by any member', which, again, is false. I sent a lengthy response to the Audiogon dispute resolution forum yesterday, as I believe several others did as well. I was aware of this scam from its inception and commented on Rudy's behalf because of that. I have known Rudy for quite a while, and know him to be an honest person. A little excited at this point, but who in his position would not be? Rudy was scammed and is angry. Angry for getting taken, and angry that, with Audiogon's help, mr. elf is seemingly going to get away with it. At this point, though Rudy would like to get his money back, he is mainly trying to alert other people in the community of what happened so they do not get scammed by mr. elf as well. The fact that Audiogon has not allowed the responses of those who were aware of what happened to verify Rudy's account is unfortunate. They are in essence protecting the scammer.
Here's the summary of what would seem to be the scam:
Rudy sees an unnaturally good deal for a pair of Audience cables on Audiogon and sends mr. elf $861.
No shipment ever arrives. This is the truth, to which anyone at his place of work can attest after listening to him pester the letter carrier day after day.
OK, could have gotten lost in the mail or delayed. Our first clue that something is not as it should be is mr. elf's continued insistence that the package was delivered to Rudy and he can prove it because he has a 'delivery confirmation number' that he keeps flashing all about as if it were not meaningless. As anyone who has ever learned to regret trusting the Postal Service knows, a 'delivery confirmation' designation does not provide any tracking as reasonable people understand tracking. It is not proof that something was delivered to Rudy, or to Rudy's address.
Although we do not all do it, we do all know that it is the responsibility of the seller to see that the purchased item makes it safely into the hands of the purchaser, this includes proper packaging, insurance, and, if you are smart, tracking. If the package does not arrive undamaged, it is not the buyer's fault and the buyer cannot legitimately be asked to share the pain. From a legal standpoint this is probably the bottom line.
But, mr. elf hammers out a deal with Rudy wherein Rudy will accept some of his off brand cables plus $400 in money orders. This time mr. elf sends Rudy the elf cables, and nothing else. Then conveniently claims that he didn't use money orders as had been agreed on, but sent $400 cash in the package instead. But this time he uses FedEx and the package can be tracked to prove he sent something. So, mr. elf claims that Rudy is lying about not receiving the cash. Of course! This should probably be the second red flag to anyone who is paying attention. You are in a heated dispute with someone revolving around claims that they did not receive something you sent earlier, so you send them a package containing not money orders for which you have a receipt, but cash! I don't think so.
Up to this point, one could fairly believe that, perhaps, just perhaps, mr. elf was telling the truth and that he had originally sent Rudy a pair of underpriced Audience cables just as he claimed, and that they mysteriously vanished. It happens. Not often, but it happens, especially if the seller is careless enough to send something without insurance or tracking.
(Though Rudy had noticed, and the alleged moderators at Audiogon might have been able to verify, that, of all the ads which mr. elf had on Audiogon, the only ad which did not have a picture of the goods to be sold, was the ad for the Audience cables). Maybe there was a reason he could not take a picture of cables he did not have. Or could have been just a strange coincidence.
What would make a serious person begin to doubt mr. elf's version of reality was that Rudy checked mr. elf's feedback and found a person who had also purchased an item from mr. elf, which had mysteriously disappeared in transit and, coincidence upon coincidence, this person had also been talked into taking elf cables instead.
All that lightning in one place, how odd that is.
So, Audiogon is not policing the system for scammers to the extent that members might rightfully expect.
Rudy is not going to be made whole here, and he knows it. All he is trying to do is to alert people to what seems to go on occasionally when dealing with mr. elf, who, to be fair, has some satisfied customers as well. Caveat emptor, as always.
No one is in a position to prove anything for either side beyond a shadow of a doubt. My main intent was to point out that a few of the things that mr. elf had posted here regarding whether or not anyone had posted a response to the dispute on Audiogon were factually inaccurate, and to provide some context to the nature of the original dispute, which the moderators at Audiogon have unadvisedly chosen to bury.
OK everybody ...go to Audiogon and look up the dipute beween Rudolffzigray and audiophile36 and tell me if you see any post to the dispute.
you know that they pulled any input by anyone other then you and Rudy
Below is the email that Audiogon sent me regarding this matter.
Flag this messageAudiogon [DRP-1244759819] Rudolffzigray v Audiophile36: RESOLUTION POSTEDMonday, June 15, 2009 5:39 PM
From: "Disputes@AudiogoN" Disputes@AudiogoN Add sender to ContactsTo: ernestfarley@att Rudolffzigray and Audiophile36,
Audiogon has considered your dispute:
Requested by: Rudolffzigray
Response by: Audiophile36
Transaction: Audience 24e speaker cables 10' pair
Complaint: Other transaction related problem
After careful consideration of all available facts,
Audiogon has arrived at a Resolution of your Dispute.
RESOLUTION AS RECORDED IN BOTH ACCOUNTS:
==
We sent this dispute to the forums for member input.
Unfortunately, we found a serious irregularity concerning the input to this thread.
Due to this irregularity we will be canceling this dispute.
Rudolffzigray and Audiophile36 will need to seek a remedy to this situation outside of Audiogon.
The only action which Audiogon considers appropriate in this dispute is to remove any negative feedback which either or both parties have left or are contemplating leaving in the other parties file. These negative feedbacks will be removed immediately.
Audiogon Dispute staff
==
Please note that Audiogon's decisions are final. Both parties were afforded considerable resources in an effort to resolve this dispute. We expect that one or both parties will not be happy with our decision. Unfortunately, we are not able to consider any further "appeals" to Audiogon's final resolution. At this time, Audiogon staff will proceed with any actions prescribed above, and then consider this matter closed.
CPK I assume you have first hand knowledge of what happened to those mystery posts on Audiogon?Actually no posts were ever posted a post has to be approved by the moderators before it is posted...again why would Audiogon remove a post that they approved?
CPK you sell cables on audiogon,so you know the rules of the site.
Everyone else without an agenda please see the link
I have first hand knowledge of Audiogon's practices and resolution of conflict and allowing a spade to be called a spade is not their strong suit; again RAL comes to mind. Brad ripped off a number of people and didn't have the negative feedback to reflect that, he finally got booted but only after he had done a significant amount of damage.Joe's post below is explanation for the lack of posting, you have a better explanation why they closed the posting (?) because it wasn't because no one sent in a post or the Rudy lost as you claim in one of your first posts on this thread.
Again the more you post the worse you look…
Thanks for the clarification..
if there was a problem with thread troll boy. There was a problem with the input. Audiogon should of still, let it play out. poor judgement.
Audiogon can smell your bullshit Rudy.
Yep thats right scammer, I have a 100,000 dollar system and work for a living.. You sell 100 dollar cables and list junk yard flea market gear on audiogon. Look at your listing right now...a 50 dollar tuner...come on ernest is even worth the trouble for 50 bucks.
Lets see, i paid 861 dollars for a 10' pair of Audience AU24e cables, hmmm. if I needed the money, why didnt I just sell them myself, like all my other items on audiogon.
See your a young 30 year old punk with no job who holes up in his basement twisting junk wire into cables with a drill. And then try to sell them for 100 bucks. Economy went to crap and poor ernest isnt selling cables like he used to, so now he list items he dont have and sends an empty envelope US mail with confirmed delivery. Then tries to pawn his cable off on you. You obviously needed the money bud, thats fine, I can afford it, I am trying to prevent your getto ass from doing it to somebody it will hurt.
Nice try though....nobody will buy it..
Cant wait to see you...
Rudy you are so funny...remember telling me after your buyer remorse that you really couldn't afford the $861.00 in the first place and how your 37 year old ass works in a factory,makes little money and grew up poor?
One thing about being your own boss in the audio industry...even during economic hardships audiophiles still buy cables...now that factory job of yours had a lot of layoffs recently,so who's really hurting from this economy?
Rudy you have my address from your "DELIVERED/SIGNED FOR" FedEX shipping label...come and see me and bring over some of your favorite dance music :^)
Sure bud, look where you live... I know that part of town. Remember I am the Plant manager of a manufacturing facility...Ernest do you know how median income for a plant manager. Look it up on the net.
Rudolff Zigray
Plant Manager
Wilkins Rogers Inc.
27 Frederick Rd.
Ellicott City, MD 21043
410-465-5800
By all means everyone, check my credentials...
Again, a child grasping at straws, beware of this chump, trust me. This is a manufacture? Lord help us.
Rudy,
Interesting...Wilkins Rogers,Inc makes baking supplies. I didn't know one could afford a $100,000.00 system selling cookie sheets bravo!
Rudy you put where you work,but what about where YOU live?
Everyone just look at the nature of ELF Audio's posts. I started this what was to be an informative thread and we have a child putting his foot in his mouth with every post. Let see.
Troll:
Interesting...Wilkins Rogers,Inc makes baking supplies. I didn't know one could afford a $100,000.00 system selling cookie sheets bravo!
Me
Wilkins Rogers is a producer of Flour and Cornmeal. The plant I manage does 50 million a year. We have 4 locations.
Troll:
When Rudy paid for the cables I told him I would ship the cables via USPS Priority with Delivery Confirmation, Rudy didn't request insurance or a signature nor did he say that I was using an inadequate shipping service.When I do insure an item it is against damage and cables are almost impossible to get damaged in transit so I never felt the need unless the customer requests it,which Rudy did not.I never thought to insure a package againt loss in the USA. I didn't insure any of the hundreds of pairs of cables sold prior to this incident and I never had a problem.
Me
I extended you the trust I give all experienced members. I didnt ask questions because I assumed I was dealing with an honest person. Who would ship an 861 dollar uninsured? A crook perhaps...
Troll
Says he knows where my wife family lives in cleveland...
me
I'm not married.
troll
Rudy,you listened to the cables for four days and decided you needed the money more than the cables...so you decided to try and get your money back by saying you never received them.
Me
A child ranting, I would of sold them on audiogon.
Troll,
Has a system that consist of a pair of speakers he made out of inexpensive lowther drivers.. Look at the electronics he has listed on the gon.
Me
Avantgarde Duos
Oris Horns
Manley Steelhead
La luce Turntable
Dejavu 45 push pull monos
Davinci Grandezza
Zyx Universe
XV-1s
Bent audio Silver mu
This is not bragging rights, simply to prove a point. Anyone who buys cables of this idiot is making a mistake.
