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In Reply to: RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. posted by audiophile36 on June 16, 2009 at 09:05:03
Again Elf troll, Ernest Lee Farley the III, a 30 year old punk or should I say ghetto thug. Remember I talked to you on the phone boy.
In your feeble brain you continue to screw up the facts. It states, I have been a member since 1999, not that my account or username was changed in 1999 for using multiple usernames numb nuts. Do you even realize when Audiogon came into existence knuckle head. I dont think so. Now hurry up and try to find out and post something smart in return.
In 2002, I bought a Farm house in Camp Hill Pennsylvania that was in much need of repair. I boxed up all my audio for 3 years. I carried a HK receiver with a pair of Norh 5.0's around to each room I was working in. When the House was finally finished I unboxed my beloved audio, brushed the dust of my large collection of vinyl and started again. I had sold some of the system off in the beginning to pay for renovations. Nikonmike, a member of audiogon, gave me a few loaner pieces to get me started again. As I was trying to put together a complete system, the first place I went was here and to audiogon. Hell I even went to Audioweb! (Remember that place people...LOL! went down hill didn’t it) Now Ernie, you wouldn’t remember that site, your too young. My username and password was forgotten. I could not get access to my account. The email address I used to open the account, I no longer had. So I couldn’t get my password sent to me. Hell I couldn’t remember the old email address! In frustration, I simply signed up again. I sent many emails to audiogon at this time trying to retrieve my old account. A piece of gear I wanted at a really good price came up for sale and I jumped on it with a new username and password. I do believe at some point my old username, which I forgot, (that’s why I use RudolffZigray now) was discovered I decided to just keep the one I was using now. This was months later. When I joined in 99 I was young and didn’t have much money so I did not have that much feedback to begin with in 2002. Maybe 20 or so, all positive. Audiogon is aware of all of this and infact when I submitted my first phase of the dispute, I did not realize it would be posted publicly and was I addressing audiogon. It goes as such.
Please do not allow this to go unnoticed. I have never had an issue on your site and I have been a member as far back as 1999 under a different username. My original username and password were lost when I took a hiatus.
Also just click on the letter at the end of my username on this site and you can see my posts that refer to this situation above! Meaning the farmhouse, renovations and so on.
Audiogon is absolutely aware of this and they are also aware that I have never had even the slightest issue regarding a transaction.
So now the troll uses this little bit of info and is trying to discredit me, because I exposed his scam. Look at the ridiculous, child like, things he comes up with. And people buy cables off this nut.
The Joespride issue also stems from a time when one of Audiogon's Guild members sold me a PC-1 with an off center cantilever. I went looking for advice on the analog forum. The member who sold me the cartridge was very popular and when his credibility came into issue, plenty of his friends came to the rescue. Even though I never mentioned the seller….One member stated that all cantilevers go off center after break in. This pissed me off and I was pretty convincing, and made them all look a bit funny. Audiogon erased this thread and I kept trying to repost it. Audiogon started to censor my posts and still do to this day. So I used Joespride's account to again make people aware of what happened and now Joe's account is also censored. Yes audiogon is censorship at its finest.
Then audiogon, not very bright, thinks Joe and I are one in the same, without looking at the personal info, such as credit cards, addresses, PayPal accounts. Just a horrible mistake on their part and they will not remedy it in the least.
So I am not a big fan of the people who run audiogon. Who is, anyone who has spent time on the forums or buying and selling items can understand that. (Just look at the job opportunities and requirements for hire at audiogon. They have a job opening right now.) I am sure they are not a fan of me either. But I never in my life thought that they would behave like they did yesterday. Regardless of their personal opinion of me, they know I am honest and not a thief. I expected with Trolls Feedback that it would take some convincing, for them to recognize it as a scam. But the members, my piers, I thought that was a no brainer. They would easily see through elf audio. I contacted many serious, long standing members to look at that dispute, they know it and I know it, and the people who posted know it. They did not like the fact that I contacted people to inform them of the dispute. It why they called it “serious irregularity concerning the input to this thread” They thought I was up to something or asked my network to post in my favor, when all I was really doing, is making sure, I bury the fool in question and protect other members from him. I pasted the general email I sent out, and I did not modify it like Elf is doing. It states, make up your own mind. I was trying to help this community. I was doing a thorough job of it. As I do with everything. Unfortunately, I did not foresee the action audiogon would take in doing so. I have never been in this situation before and I have certainly made some mistakes. I am aggressive and obsessive compulsive. I tried a little too hard and it back fired. Thats ok, we all learn from our mistakes. But... I did not fail and I will not fail. I will continue and see this through until people are absolutely sick to death of hearing about it. Thats who I am and I really cant apologize for this.
Elf I will end you. What happens when you have to get a job? I dont think taking lamp chords and twisting them with a drill is going to make for a good resume.
Hey you could use me for a reference? I am a plant manager you know.....
Follow Ups:
Rudy the more you talk the more you stick your foot up your ass.
Your own so called "friend" made reference to you having issues about multiple posts with different user ID's originationg from the your computer.
QUOTE FROM RUDY:
"So I used Joespride's
account to again make people aware of what happened and now Joe's account
is also censored. Yes audiogon is censorship at its finest."
Rudy Cant you see that you can't do that! You can't use someone elses account to post/anything,that in itself is fraudulent behaivior.
Rudy,by your own post you prove to make less than desireable descisions and you demonstrate poor character and ethics.
BTW...everyones account on Audiogon is "censored"...Audiogon screens everyones post before it is posted to the site. If your posts are not Kosher Audiogon won't post your BS.
P.S. I never heard of enamel insulated Gold plated OCC solid copper lamp cord...LOL you are funny.
Hello. My comments in ELFs feedback refer to a situation where I bought an
expensive ($500+) Jolida CD player from him and never received it. After
much back and forth with both ELF and USPS, I am still undecided about what
happened.
ELF said he shipped it to me but could not provide relevant backup data. He
said he did not keep USPS receipts for long. USPS said the tracking number
provided by ELF was for a very small package- a cable, I believe, which is
what I think he mainly sells- sent around the time of my "scheduled"
delivery to a nearby Mclean, VA address, but not MY address. He said the
package was insured, but that USPS would not pay up on the insurance because
the package WAS in fact delivered, just not my package (which would have
weighed 20 lbs).
Since his documentation was fuzzy and the USPS had their documentation
painting a different story, I tentatively concluded that ELF had never
mailed a package TO ME (I have a 90% feeling this). However, there is a
slight chance (10%) that he told the truth and the USPS lost the package.
ELF did work out a deal with me involving some cash back and a few sets of
his Gold Helix ICs. These came through OK and the product is good.
That is my view on things.
I will keep your situation in confidence and appreciate your discretion on
my viewpoint.
Sincerely,
Elf audio took my 861 dollars and sent nothing.. then tried to hook me up with his cables..
A copy an paste to further prove a scam, thanks Conrad, owe thats me too.
Having just noticed this thread, I need to interject a couple of things, as a response here and to one other of mr. elf's posts below. These will serve to undermine mr. elf's credibility, not that he isn't doing an excellent job of that himself.
The emails Rudy has posted here are legitimate, and verbatim copies of the ones I received yesterday, so, contrary to what mr. elf is seemingly so desperate to have people believe, they are not 'imagined', and people should believe what Rudy 'is typing' because it is not 'rubbish', it is the truth.
mr. elf then states that 'there was not a single reply by any member', which, again, is false. I sent a lengthy response to the Audiogon dispute resolution forum yesterday, as I believe several others did as well. I was aware of this scam from its inception and commented on Rudy's behalf because of that. I have known Rudy for quite a while, and know him to be an honest person. A little excited at this point, but who in his position would not be? Rudy was scammed and is angry. Angry for getting taken, and angry that, with Audiogon's help, mr. elf is seemingly going to get away with it. At this point, though Rudy would like to get his money back, he is mainly trying to alert other people in the community of what happened so they do not get scammed by mr. elf as well. The fact that Audiogon has not allowed the responses of those who were aware of what happened to verify Rudy's account is unfortunate. They are in essence protecting the scammer.
Here's the summary of what would seem to be the scam:
Rudy sees an unnaturally good deal for a pair of Audience cables on Audiogon and sends mr. elf $861.
No shipment ever arrives. This is the truth, to which anyone at his place of work can attest after listening to him pester the letter carrier day after day.
OK, could have gotten lost in the mail or delayed. Our first clue that something is not as it should be is mr. elf's continued insistence that the package was delivered to Rudy and he can prove it because he has a 'delivery confirmation number' that he keeps flashing all about as if it were not meaningless. As anyone who has ever learned to regret trusting the Postal Service knows, a 'delivery confirmation' designation does not provide any tracking as reasonable people understand tracking. It is not proof that something was delivered to Rudy, or to Rudy's address.
Although we do not all do it, we do all know that it is the responsibility of the seller to see that the purchased item makes it safely into the hands of the purchaser, this includes proper packaging, insurance, and, if you are smart, tracking. If the package does not arrive undamaged, it is not the buyer's fault and the buyer cannot legitimately be asked to share the pain. From a legal standpoint this is probably the bottom line.
But, mr. elf hammers out a deal with Rudy wherein Rudy will accept some of his off brand cables plus $400 in money orders. This time mr. elf sends Rudy the elf cables, and nothing else. Then conveniently claims that he didn't use money orders as had been agreed on, but sent $400 cash in the package instead. But this time he uses FedEx and the package can be tracked to prove he sent something. So, mr. elf claims that Rudy is lying about not receiving the cash. Of course! This should probably be the second red flag to anyone who is paying attention. You are in a heated dispute with someone revolving around claims that they did not receive something you sent earlier, so you send them a package containing not money orders for which you have a receipt, but cash! I don't think so.
Up to this point, one could fairly believe that, perhaps, just perhaps, mr. elf was telling the truth and that he had originally sent Rudy a pair of underpriced Audience cables just as he claimed, and that they mysteriously vanished. It happens. Not often, but it happens, especially if the seller is careless enough to send something without insurance or tracking.
(Though Rudy had noticed, and the alleged moderators at Audiogon might have been able to verify, that, of all the ads which mr. elf had on Audiogon, the only ad which did not have a picture of the goods to be sold, was the ad for the Audience cables). Maybe there was a reason he could not take a picture of cables he did not have. Or could have been just a strange coincidence.
What would make a serious person begin to doubt mr. elf's version of reality was that Rudy checked mr. elf's feedback and found a person who had also purchased an item from mr. elf, which had mysteriously disappeared in transit and, coincidence upon coincidence, this person had also been talked into taking elf cables instead.
All that lightning in one place, how odd that is.
So, Audiogon is not policing the system for scammers to the extent that members might rightfully expect.
Rudy is not going to be made whole here, and he knows it. All he is trying to do is to alert people to what seems to go on occasionally when dealing with mr. elf, who, to be fair, has some satisfied customers as well. Caveat emptor, as always.
No one is in a position to prove anything for either side beyond a shadow of a doubt. My main intent was to point out that a few of the things that mr. elf had posted here regarding whether or not anyone had posted a response to the dispute on Audiogon were factually inaccurate, and to provide some context to the nature of the original dispute, which the moderators at Audiogon have unadvisedly chosen to bury.
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