Sure bud, look where you live... I know that part of town. Remember I am the Plant manager of a manufacturing facility...Ernest do you know how median income for a plant manager. Look it up on the net.
Rudolff Zigray
Plant Manager
Wilkins Rogers Inc.
27 Frederick Rd.
Ellicott City, MD 21043
410-465-5800
By all means everyone, check my credentials...
Again, a child grasping at straws, beware of this chump, trust me. This is a manufacture? Lord help us.
Follow Ups:
- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - audiophile36 22:33:59 06/15/09
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Rudy,
Interesting...Wilkins Rogers,Inc makes baking supplies. I didn't know one could afford a $100,000.00 system selling cookie sheets bravo!
Rudy you put where you work,but what about where YOU live?
- Another ridiculous attempt... - rzigray@wrmills.com 04:10:44 06/16/09
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Everyone just look at the nature of ELF Audio's posts. I started this what was to be an informative thread and we have a child putting his foot in his mouth with every post. Let see.
Troll:
Interesting...Wilkins Rogers,Inc makes baking supplies. I didn't know one could afford a $100,000.00 system selling cookie sheets bravo!
Me
Wilkins Rogers is a producer of Flour and Cornmeal. The plant I manage does 50 million a year. We have 4 locations.
Troll:
When Rudy paid for the cables I told him I would ship the cables via USPS Priority with Delivery Confirmation, Rudy didn't request insurance or a signature nor did he say that I was using an inadequate shipping service.When I do insure an item it is against damage and cables are almost impossible to get damaged in transit so I never felt the need unless the customer requests it,which Rudy did not.I never thought to insure a package againt loss in the USA. I didn't insure any of the hundreds of pairs of cables sold prior to this incident and I never had a problem.
Me
I extended you the trust I give all experienced members. I didnt ask questions because I assumed I was dealing with an honest person. Who would ship an 861 dollar uninsured? A crook perhaps...
Troll
Says he knows where my wife family lives in cleveland...
me
I'm not married.
troll
Rudy,you listened to the cables for four days and decided you needed the money more than the cables...so you decided to try and get your money back by saying you never received them.
Me
A child ranting, I would of sold them on audiogon.
Troll,
Has a system that consist of a pair of speakers he made out of inexpensive lowther drivers.. Look at the electronics he has listed on the gon.
Me
Avantgarde Duos
Oris Horns
Manley Steelhead
La luce Turntable
Dejavu 45 push pull monos
Davinci Grandezza
Zyx Universe
XV-1s
Bent audio Silver mu
This is not bragging rights, simply to prove a point. Anyone who buys cables of this idiot is making a mistake.
- RE: Email to prove Rudy is a liar...not married huh? - audiophile36 06:22:08 06/16/09
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Rudy is a manipulative liar I quote from Rudy:
"troll says he knows where my wifes family lives in Cleveland...me i'm not married."
Well this is the email were Rudy clearly states his wife is from Cleveland even though he just said he wasn't married...this guy is a real nut job.
From: Rudolff Zigray > > To: Ernest Farley > > Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:24:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: Audiogon listing: Audience Au24 E 3M pair w/spades
> >
> > Ernest,
> >
> > For the life of me I could not understand what you meant by underlying
> > threats....This is what you mean?
> >
> > Please respond asap to this email account. I am now going home for the
> > weekend. Please do not use my other email account. It would also help
> > if you called me or provided a phone number. Its not that long of a
> > distance. You are only 5hrs away from me. I love visiting Cleveland.
> >
> > I meant long distance phone call!!!!!!!!!...I would not start
> > threatening someone, who is an outstanding member of audiogon, when I am
> > trying get resolution to a problem. Your unbelievable.
> >
> > Ernest I go to cleveland at least twice a year for the last 8 years...I
> > love visiting Cleveland was not a threat! It was fucking sincere. You
> > live in a beautiful city. Nicholes parents (my wife) live there and
> > every time I go its seem to be better and better...There has been alot
> > of improvement over the years. Jesus christ do I need to name sites...
> > I meant its not that of a long distance phone call.
> >
> > I did not receive the cables, I would never rip anyone off. I have am
> > terribly upset at all of this. You must understand that you have my 861
> > dollars and I have nothing. I may have been pushy a mad at you for your
> > shipping methods, but thats human. How can someone with your feedback
> > and my feedback not come to a resolution. I did not threaten you.
> >
> >
> >
- RE: Email to prove Rudy is a liar...not married huh? - rzigray@wrmills.com 06:54:11 06/16/09
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Nice job, with the email troll, you have a vivid imagination. Is this another email from someone else you ripped off and you modified it too fit my incident, or are you really that creative? You’re too funny; I wish everyone could see our entire correspondence unmodified by you of course.
Of course when people get scammed, I wouldn’t blame them for doing anything to try and get some of their money back....would you? Would anyone? Poor chap above must have some of your cables now to...huh.
It would not be fair to Nichole if we were married because I am too close to you troll. You and I, were going to be bestest friends. See you keep posting and this thread will just get bigger and bigger. Lots and lots of attention.
Why dont we change the topic. We all know you rip people off listing items you dont have and then geek out in your basement twisting cheap wire as a form of reconciliation.
But what about your cables...huh. Silver, I dont think so. Gold, I have them and I know there not. Let’s rehash old issues on the asylum about your lamp chords you sell for 100 dollaszzz....
I have your cables and they suck. Anyone who would like to hear Elf’s cables please email me if you’re close to the Washington DC/ Baltimore area. rzigray@fastmail.fm
They are currently at a jeweler for authenticity. His findings will be in a report that I will photograph and place on this site.
See troll, I have already stopped your scam. You will not be able to pull it off again. Oh, I am also contacting the FBI today.
If you list another item you dont have, and someone is foolish enough to send you money and they dont get the item, they will look you up a bit and find me.
- RE: another post to prove Rudy is shady - audiophile36 07:49:47 06/16/09
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Rudy You have had a pair of my Silver Signature speaker cable since Febuary 09...you just claimed they are not silver and sound like crap...knowing that why would you buy from me again and ask if I had a product better than the Au24?
Wow my cables are so bad...check out this feedback I received TODAY(anybody can go to audiogon and read my feedback to verify)
Flag this messageAudiogoN Feedback left by Bsavage Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:04 AM
From: "emailer@audiogon.com" Add sender to Contacts To: ernestfarley
Hello Audiophile36,
The following feedback is going to be added to your account:
====
Member: Bsavage
Action: Bought from me
Item: ELF Audio Golden Signature/Phono-1 Gold
Price: $175.00
Submitted Rating: Positive
Submitted Feedback:
Ernest is very professional and makes customer satisfaction his top priority. He is very flexible and willing to accomodate the customer's requirements. I have purchased a 20' balanced interconnect, a DIN/RCA phono cable and 16 gauge Golden Helix speaker cables in seperate transactions after extensive evaluations against competing products. Each product has been the top performer and a great value as well. Each transaction has been a joy. Very highly recommended!
====
Audiophile36: you need to go to this link:
The above link will allow you to Approve, or you may Dispute the transaction or feedback as reported above. Please go to the above link as soon as possible, so that you may conclude this transaction.
Would a scam artist with bad cables get feedback like this?
- RE: another post to prove Rudy is shady - rzigray@wrmills.com 10:53:07 06/16/09
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Yep I bought a pair of Au 24e cables from you because I already had your silver signature....huh huh....numb nuts...You are a delusional coon.
- RE: Email to prove Rudy is a liar...not married huh? - audiophile36 07:33:53 06/16/09
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If anybody wants me to forward them the original emails which will be exactly as the ones I copied and pasted just let me know I will prove that Rudy is a liar and shady.
- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - audiophile36 21:12:22 06/15/09
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Rudy remember I know your wifes family is from the inner city of Cleveland...I don't live in Cleveland so you don't know my part of town. I live in the upper middle class suburb of South Euclid/Lyndhurst.Rudy you keep making references that you are comming to Cleveland to see me like I live there.
Rudy get yourself together...please!
- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - rzigray@wrmills.com 20:41:30 06/15/09
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No really though check this out...1800 dollar cables for 200 dollaszzz. And no buyers. Now dont go marking it sold ernest...
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- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - joessportster 08:14:02 06/16/09
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first let me state i know rudolff and we have had our differences in the past but one thing that was never in question was his integrity, i have never known him to attempt to steal anything in the past 4 years that we have been aquainted, he has visited my home on more than 1 occasion and i have visited his, i can attest to the fact that he has had in excess of $ 100,000.00 dollars in gear over the time i have known him, and infact his current system would cost probably 75,000.00 to replicate he is knowledgeable in audio and is a decent guy ready to help, our problems between ourselves have stemmed from both being hard headed and too much alike. but men do these things and i still consider rudy a friend.........the audiogon disput was cancelled because of me, i posted a response and it went to the moderator, i received an email from audiogon stating they had cancelled my subscription because they felt it was a suedo for rudolffzigray, i emailed them and explained that we were friends and often at one anothers homes and occasionally use one anothers cpu to check current adds / listings and reply to questions etc... and further if there was a doubt they could check my credit card information. i was immediately re-instated but not b-4 they cancelled the dispute under the ospecious rudy was posting from several different cpu under other username's (censorship at its best)i have knowledge of this event from start to finish as rudy does live close and we are always trying to 1 up the other with our new gear purchases, and i was scheduled to deliver the cables he was replacing to dc (where i work) i must admit i find parts of this thread rather childish (although funny) elf's attempt to fabricate an email from audiogon was really comical ( i actually went and copied one myself to test it and everything he failed to show does infact copy and paste, meaning of course he did not copy / then paste an email)if you ask me this whole thread boils down to one action and that is:
elf made an admission of guilt in any court of law when he agreed to COMPINSATE rudolff, he did this by his oun admission here and on audiogon, if this went b-4 a judge they would find elf cables wanting and order them to make full restitution. simple as that:
so the question becomes why did elf make this offer / admission, as a long time member of both audiogon and ebay i know i would have serious issues refunding a buyer for an item that i had proof of delivery on, of course i would also never ship an expensive item (nor in-expensive for that matter) without insurance it doesnt cost much and it covers me as well as the buyer............so did elf truly feel sorry for rudy well lets look at his composure here (doesnt strike me as a genuinely kind person, nor someone overought with compassion, moreover he strikes me as a childish individual that would stoop to any and all lengths to meet his oun ends) just an observation from this thread
i would summise that elf made this offer in an attempt to apease in hopes that it would squash any complaints, personally i would have refused his offer for cables and contacted his local police department filed a complaint, and taken the 3 hour drive to his area to show up in court with all the documentation and press charges to the full extent that the law would allow
- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - audiophile36 09:05:03 06/16/09
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My question is why would Audiogon close a dispute over one post from you that favored Rudy...you have to chose somebody to side with.So you are basically saying if you sided with me the dispute would still be open?
What does Audiogon have against Rudy and all who are associated with him?
It seems that Rudy has had problems from posting under multiple user ID's and that is probably why he had to change his User name in 1999.
Now it makes sense...Audiogon closed the dispute because the posts where originated from Rudy's same IP Adress.
Furthermore all posts on Audiogon are screened by the moderator for approval and if they don't get approved for whatever reason they simply won't post it.
Quote from jeossportster
"elf's attempt to fabricate an email from audiogon was really comical ( i actually went and copied one myself to test it and everything he failed to show does infact copy and paste, meaning of course he did not copy / then paste an email)"
What email did I fabricate from Audiogon? What did I fail to show that could have actually been copied and pasted?
- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - Conrad 10:47:54 06/16/09
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"Audiogon closed the dispute because the posts where originated from Rudy's same IP Adress."
You don't seem to have any ethical issues with posting whatever dishonest nonsense you feel like, as you have done here and in the other post I commented on above. But maybe you are only dishonest here, and not in your Audiogon transactions. It's possible. Not likely, but possible.
Audiogon closed the dispute because the moderators are either incompetent or too lazy to take the trouble to find out who is sending in responses. They apparently got so many responses in favor of Rudy in the dispute that they thought it was 'irregular', instead of just obvious that one side had more merit than the other.
As noted in my other post, I sent a response to the dispute resolution forum, and I am certainly not at Rudy's same IP address.
Rudy is honest, that much I know.
- RE: yet you post under a new Moniker. - audiophile36 11:04:04 06/16/09
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Ok I see...you have several monikers too.
This Moniker says Conrad ...are you refering to the post you made under your other Moniker of Joessportster?
QUOTE FROM CONRAD:
"As noted in my other post, I sent a response to the dispute resolution forum, and I am certainly not at Rudy's same IP address."
What "other" post are you referencing?
- You might want call it quits... - Cpk 11:18:35 06/16/09
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you dug yourself into a hole and now you just look stupid and guilty. Conrad has been here since 2000 and joessportster registered 2007, so what you are saying is that Conrad and Rudy conspired to scam you in 2007 and Conrad registered at joessportster at that time so he could post under the moniker?!? The IP address aren't even the same, are you high?
Give the guy his money back people who scam people in this industry or in general suckass.
- RE: You might want call it quits... - audiophile36 11:35:35 06/16/09
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CPK,
I didn't see Conrads first post and I did make a mistake on that So I apologize to Conrad...now this seems fishy
Joessportster registerd Jan 23,2007
Person AE registered Feb 8,2007
rudolffzigray registered march 29,2007.
These where the first people to respond to this thread besides Rudy and it seems a little funny that all three of them registered around the same time in consecutive months.
- RE: You might want call it quits... - Cpk 12:08:54 06/16/09
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they all have different IP address, not really fishy at all. And again I stand by my first post. You as a manufacturer, who has done this for a number of years knows better then to a) send a package valued at $861 w/o tracking numbers and insurance and b) to send cash. The latter is just general common knowledge, you don't send cash at anytime. Someone in your position in an industry where people try/do rip people off via internet dealings, sending of cash is inexcusable.
Now with a dealer sticking his neck out in support of Rudy your position has lost any credibility, which was heading south prior to his involvement.
As a fellow manufacturer I hate to see another have problems but resorting to scamming customers (RAL comes to mind) just casts a dark cloud over an industry that is already fraught with snakeoil.
- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - rzigray@wrmills.com 10:25:56 06/16/09
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Again Elf troll, Ernest Lee Farley the III, a 30 year old punk or should I say ghetto thug. Remember I talked to you on the phone boy.
In your feeble brain you continue to screw up the facts. It states, I have been a member since 1999, not that my account or username was changed in 1999 for using multiple usernames numb nuts. Do you even realize when Audiogon came into existence knuckle head. I dont think so. Now hurry up and try to find out and post something smart in return.
In 2002, I bought a Farm house in Camp Hill Pennsylvania that was in much need of repair. I boxed up all my audio for 3 years. I carried a HK receiver with a pair of Norh 5.0's around to each room I was working in. When the House was finally finished I unboxed my beloved audio, brushed the dust of my large collection of vinyl and started again. I had sold some of the system off in the beginning to pay for renovations. Nikonmike, a member of audiogon, gave me a few loaner pieces to get me started again. As I was trying to put together a complete system, the first place I went was here and to audiogon. Hell I even went to Audioweb! (Remember that place people...LOL! went down hill didn’t it) Now Ernie, you wouldn’t remember that site, your too young. My username and password was forgotten. I could not get access to my account. The email address I used to open the account, I no longer had. So I couldn’t get my password sent to me. Hell I couldn’t remember the old email address! In frustration, I simply signed up again. I sent many emails to audiogon at this time trying to retrieve my old account. A piece of gear I wanted at a really good price came up for sale and I jumped on it with a new username and password. I do believe at some point my old username, which I forgot, (that’s why I use RudolffZigray now) was discovered I decided to just keep the one I was using now. This was months later. When I joined in 99 I was young and didn’t have much money so I did not have that much feedback to begin with in 2002. Maybe 20 or so, all positive. Audiogon is aware of all of this and infact when I submitted my first phase of the dispute, I did not realize it would be posted publicly and was I addressing audiogon. It goes as such.
Please do not allow this to go unnoticed. I have never had an issue on your site and I have been a member as far back as 1999 under a different username. My original username and password were lost when I took a hiatus.
Also just click on the letter at the end of my username on this site and you can see my posts that refer to this situation above! Meaning the farmhouse, renovations and so on.
Audiogon is absolutely aware of this and they are also aware that I have never had even the slightest issue regarding a transaction.
So now the troll uses this little bit of info and is trying to discredit me, because I exposed his scam. Look at the ridiculous, child like, things he comes up with. And people buy cables off this nut.
The Joespride issue also stems from a time when one of Audiogon's Guild members sold me a PC-1 with an off center cantilever. I went looking for advice on the analog forum. The member who sold me the cartridge was very popular and when his credibility came into issue, plenty of his friends came to the rescue. Even though I never mentioned the seller….One member stated that all cantilevers go off center after break in. This pissed me off and I was pretty convincing, and made them all look a bit funny. Audiogon erased this thread and I kept trying to repost it. Audiogon started to censor my posts and still do to this day. So I used Joespride's account to again make people aware of what happened and now Joe's account is also censored. Yes audiogon is censorship at its finest.
Then audiogon, not very bright, thinks Joe and I are one in the same, without looking at the personal info, such as credit cards, addresses, PayPal accounts. Just a horrible mistake on their part and they will not remedy it in the least.
So I am not a big fan of the people who run audiogon. Who is, anyone who has spent time on the forums or buying and selling items can understand that. (Just look at the job opportunities and requirements for hire at audiogon. They have a job opening right now.) I am sure they are not a fan of me either. But I never in my life thought that they would behave like they did yesterday. Regardless of their personal opinion of me, they know I am honest and not a thief. I expected with Trolls Feedback that it would take some convincing, for them to recognize it as a scam. But the members, my piers, I thought that was a no brainer. They would easily see through elf audio. I contacted many serious, long standing members to look at that dispute, they know it and I know it, and the people who posted know it. They did not like the fact that I contacted people to inform them of the dispute. It why they called it “serious irregularity concerning the input to this thread” They thought I was up to something or asked my network to post in my favor, when all I was really doing, is making sure, I bury the fool in question and protect other members from him. I pasted the general email I sent out, and I did not modify it like Elf is doing. It states, make up your own mind. I was trying to help this community. I was doing a thorough job of it. As I do with everything. Unfortunately, I did not foresee the action audiogon would take in doing so. I have never been in this situation before and I have certainly made some mistakes. I am aggressive and obsessive compulsive. I tried a little too hard and it back fired. Thats ok, we all learn from our mistakes. But... I did not fail and I will not fail. I will continue and see this through until people are absolutely sick to death of hearing about it. Thats who I am and I really cant apologize for this.
Elf I will end you. What happens when you have to get a job? I dont think taking lamp chords and twisting them with a drill is going to make for a good resume.
Hey you could use me for a reference? I am a plant manager you know.....
- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - audiophile36 10:54:09 06/16/09
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Rudy the more you talk the more you stick your foot up your ass.
Your own so called "friend" made reference to you having issues about multiple posts with different user ID's originationg from the your computer.
QUOTE FROM RUDY:
"So I used Joespride's
account to again make people aware of what happened and now Joe's account
is also censored. Yes audiogon is censorship at its finest."
Rudy Cant you see that you can't do that! You can't use someone elses account to post/anything,that in itself is fraudulent behaivior.
Rudy,by your own post you prove to make less than desireable descisions and you demonstrate poor character and ethics.
BTW...everyones account on Audiogon is "censored"...Audiogon screens everyones post before it is posted to the site. If your posts are not Kosher Audiogon won't post your BS.
P.S. I never heard of enamel insulated Gold plated OCC solid copper lamp cord...LOL you are funny.
- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - rzigray@wrmills.com 11:12:08 06/16/09
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Hello. My comments in ELFs feedback refer to a situation where I bought an
expensive ($500+) Jolida CD player from him and never received it. After
much back and forth with both ELF and USPS, I am still undecided about what
happened.
ELF said he shipped it to me but could not provide relevant backup data. He
said he did not keep USPS receipts for long. USPS said the tracking number
provided by ELF was for a very small package- a cable, I believe, which is
what I think he mainly sells- sent around the time of my "scheduled"
delivery to a nearby Mclean, VA address, but not MY address. He said the
package was insured, but that USPS would not pay up on the insurance because
the package WAS in fact delivered, just not my package (which would have
weighed 20 lbs).
Since his documentation was fuzzy and the USPS had their documentation
painting a different story, I tentatively concluded that ELF had never
mailed a package TO ME (I have a 90% feeling this). However, there is a
slight chance (10%) that he told the truth and the USPS lost the package.
ELF did work out a deal with me involving some cash back and a few sets of
his Gold Helix ICs. These came through OK and the product is good.
That is my view on things.
I will keep your situation in confidence and appreciate your discretion on
my viewpoint.
Sincerely,
- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - rzigray@wrmills.com 11:14:24 06/16/09
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Elf audio took my 861 dollars and sent nothing.. then tried to hook me up with his cables..
- RE: Anyone have shipping issue's with Elf Audio. - rzigray@wrmills.com 11:21:29 06/16/09
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A copy an paste to further prove a scam, thanks Conrad, owe thats me too.
Having just noticed this thread, I need to interject a couple of things, as a response here and to one other of mr. elf's posts below. These will serve to undermine mr. elf's credibility, not that he isn't doing an excellent job of that himself.
The emails Rudy has posted here are legitimate, and verbatim copies of the ones I received yesterday, so, contrary to what mr. elf is seemingly so desperate to have people believe, they are not 'imagined', and people should believe what Rudy 'is typing' because it is not 'rubbish', it is the truth.
mr. elf then states that 'there was not a single reply by any member', which, again, is false. I sent a lengthy response to the Audiogon dispute resolution forum yesterday, as I believe several others did as well. I was aware of this scam from its inception and commented on Rudy's behalf because of that. I have known Rudy for quite a while, and know him to be an honest person. A little excited at this point, but who in his position would not be? Rudy was scammed and is angry. Angry for getting taken, and angry that, with Audiogon's help, mr. elf is seemingly going to get away with it. At this point, though Rudy would like to get his money back, he is mainly trying to alert other people in the community of what happened so they do not get scammed by mr. elf as well. The fact that Audiogon has not allowed the responses of those who were aware of what happened to verify Rudy's account is unfortunate. They are in essence protecting the scammer.
Here's the summary of what would seem to be the scam:
Rudy sees an unnaturally good deal for a pair of Audience cables on Audiogon and sends mr. elf $861.
No shipment ever arrives. This is the truth, to which anyone at his place of work can attest after listening to him pester the letter carrier day after day.
OK, could have gotten lost in the mail or delayed. Our first clue that something is not as it should be is mr. elf's continued insistence that the package was delivered to Rudy and he can prove it because he has a 'delivery confirmation number' that he keeps flashing all about as if it were not meaningless. As anyone who has ever learned to regret trusting the Postal Service knows, a 'delivery confirmation' designation does not provide any tracking as reasonable people understand tracking. It is not proof that something was delivered to Rudy, or to Rudy's address.
Although we do not all do it, we do all know that it is the responsibility of the seller to see that the purchased item makes it safely into the hands of the purchaser, this includes proper packaging, insurance, and, if you are smart, tracking. If the package does not arrive undamaged, it is not the buyer's fault and the buyer cannot legitimately be asked to share the pain. From a legal standpoint this is probably the bottom line.
But, mr. elf hammers out a deal with Rudy wherein Rudy will accept some of his off brand cables plus $400 in money orders. This time mr. elf sends Rudy the elf cables, and nothing else. Then conveniently claims that he didn't use money orders as had been agreed on, but sent $400 cash in the package instead. But this time he uses FedEx and the package can be tracked to prove he sent something. So, mr. elf claims that Rudy is lying about not receiving the cash. Of course! This should probably be the second red flag to anyone who is paying attention. You are in a heated dispute with someone revolving around claims that they did not receive something you sent earlier, so you send them a package containing not money orders for which you have a receipt, but cash! I don't think so.
Up to this point, one could fairly believe that, perhaps, just perhaps, mr. elf was telling the truth and that he had originally sent Rudy a pair of underpriced Audience cables just as he claimed, and that they mysteriously vanished. It happens. Not often, but it happens, especially if the seller is careless enough to send something without insurance or tracking.
(Though Rudy had noticed, and the alleged moderators at Audiogon might have been able to verify, that, of all the ads which mr. elf had on Audiogon, the only ad which did not have a picture of the goods to be sold, was the ad for the Audience cables). Maybe there was a reason he could not take a picture of cables he did not have. Or could have been just a strange coincidence.
What would make a serious person begin to doubt mr. elf's version of reality was that Rudy checked mr. elf's feedback and found a person who had also purchased an item from mr. elf, which had mysteriously disappeared in transit and, coincidence upon coincidence, this person had also been talked into taking elf cables instead.
All that lightning in one place, how odd that is.
So, Audiogon is not policing the system for scammers to the extent that members might rightfully expect.
Rudy is not going to be made whole here, and he knows it. All he is trying to do is to alert people to what seems to go on occasionally when dealing with mr. elf, who, to be fair, has some satisfied customers as well. Caveat emptor, as always.
No one is in a position to prove anything for either side beyond a shadow of a doubt. My main intent was to point out that a few of the things that mr. elf had posted here regarding whether or not anyone had posted a response to the dispute on Audiogon were factually inaccurate, and to provide some context to the nature of the original dispute, which the moderators at Audiogon have unadvisedly chosen to bury.
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