In Reply to: no- a lack of good exemplars stands. posted by stuck.wilson@gmail.com on February 23, 2007 at 14:55:35:
Having referred to them more than a dozen times in our discussion. I'm referring to sound resulting from the entire system. There is a whole lot more to what is responsible for the end product than merely the drivers. Or the absence of said in the case of my electrostats. Focus on components upstream as the primary sources of the hard, unrefined sound. Forget first octave bass in any event.i think you are subscribing to an idea of which isn't informed by sonics
My opinion is based entirely upon observation and experience.
rw
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Does a loudspeaker's time coherence matter ? - bunni 17:36:31 02/22/07 (104)
- Nice Cast :-0 - Bare 19:12:33 02/23/07 (0)
- Icing on the cake - Schu 15:20:02 02/23/07 (2)
- Re: Icing on the cake - mauimusicman 16:45:41 02/23/07 (1)
- Thanks - Schu 06:49:20 02/24/07 (0)
- Re: Does a loudspeaker's time coherence matter ? - mauimusicman 13:48:49 02/23/07 (0)
- Time-aligned or phase coherent speakers sound better in careful, blind lab tests. - jsm 13:38:34 02/23/07 (0)
- Yes. They especially sound better in near-field positions at modest volumes. - Richard BassNut Greene 09:21:40 02/23/07 (6)
- Re: Yes. They especially sound better in near-field positions at modest volumes. - mauimusicman 11:58:17 02/24/07 (0)
- Probably the best answer so far (NT) - dlr 15:35:42 02/23/07 (0)
- That seems counterintuitive. - kavakidd 12:41:45 02/23/07 (1)
- Make that at least 6 feet away (near-field) for three-way or four-way speakers - Richard BassNut Greene 11:18:10 02/25/07 (0)
- Evidence? (nt) - Jim Austin 11:56:24 02/23/07 (1)
- Two decades of trying to find speakers that worked well near-field in my room - Richard BassNut Greene 11:29:15 02/25/07 (0)
- Does a sources time coherence matter. - gymwear5@hotmail.com 07:22:22 02/23/07 (2)
- Re: Does a sources time coherence matter. - mauimusicman 12:48:39 02/28/07 (0)
- Re: Does a sources time coherence matter. - mauimusicman 13:51:11 02/23/07 (0)
- Depends on where you're sitting (or standing) - Baroque Obama 07:20:52 02/23/07 (1)
- Re: Depends on where you're sitting (or standing) - mauimusicman 12:52:12 02/28/07 (0)
- The most important question may be... - Jim Austin 04:44:02 02/23/07 (22)
- Re: The most important question may be... - mauimusicman 01:06:32 02/24/07 (4)
- Re: The most important question may be... - Jim Austin 05:59:56 02/24/07 (3)
- Re: The most important question may be... - mauimusicman 02:05:45 02/25/07 (1)
- Good description - dlr 06:53:20 02/25/07 (0)
- If more people could talk to each other like these two do.. - Craiger56 09:26:54 02/24/07 (0)
- Re: The most important question may be... - dlr 18:01:13 02/23/07 (4)
- Re: The most important question may be... - Jim Austin 18:34:16 02/23/07 (3)
- And that means absolutely nothing (NT) - dlr 18:58:53 02/23/07 (2)
- To you. (NT) - Jim Austin 19:02:38 02/23/07 (1)
- No, with the physics - dlr 20:16:36 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: The most important question may be... - morricab 08:01:59 02/23/07 (6)
- Not Sure - ka7niq 16:51:53 02/23/07 (1)
- Re: Not Sure - morricab 03:53:18 02/25/07 (0)
- Not necessarily by any means (nt) - suits_me 14:40:54 02/23/07 (2)
- Re: Not necessarily by any means (nt) - morricab 03:54:26 02/25/07 (1)
- Re: Not necessarily by any means - suits_me 14:19:34 02/25/07 (0)
- Yes, I think so. - Jim Austin 08:03:59 02/23/07 (0)
- Powered speakers - edta 05:52:29 02/23/07 (4)
- Re: Powered speakers - Jim Austin 06:13:40 02/23/07 (3)
- P.S. - Jim Austin 06:28:30 02/23/07 (2)
- Re: P.S. - mauimusicman 13:01:12 02/28/07 (0)
- Impressive. Thanks. nt. - edta 13:17:48 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: Does a loudspeaker's time coherence matter ? - nickg.va 03:47:55 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: Does a loudspeaker's time coherence matter ? - plantsman 03:10:24 02/23/07 (2)
- Re: Does a loudspeaker's time coherence matter ? - Duke 11:43:12 02/23/07 (1)
- Re: Does a loudspeaker's time coherence matter ? - plantsman 04:56:34 02/26/07 (0)
- Most time/phase alignment claims are without merit. - sser2 23:26:04 02/22/07 (5)
- Not necessarily - dlr 15:30:30 02/23/07 (4)
- Theory and common sense. - sser2 18:06:21 02/24/07 (3)
- Re: Theory and common sense. - dlr 08:19:13 02/25/07 (2)
- Coaxials and phase - Tom Brennan 08:41:43 02/25/07 (1)
- Re: Coaxials and phase - dlr 08:56:06 02/25/07 (0)
- Thoughts... - Brian Walsh 23:22:03 02/22/07 (25)
- Re: Thoughts... - Tom Brennan 05:33:28 02/23/07 (21)
- Never heard one of those - E-Stat 08:32:23 02/23/07 (20)
- Re: Never heard one of those - stuck.wilson@gmail.com 10:43:37 02/23/07 (13)
- I have no anti-utilitarian bias - E-Stat 11:57:53 02/23/07 (12)
- Re: I have no anti-utilitarian bias - stuck.wilson@gmail.com 12:39:11 02/23/07 (11)
- Re: I have no anti-utilitarian bias - mauimusicman 14:14:33 02/23/07 (7)
- Re: I have no anti-utilitarian bias - Tom Brennan 15:27:00 02/23/07 (6)
- Re: I have no anti-utilitarian bias - mauimusicman 13:07:02 02/28/07 (0)
- Re: I have no anti-utilitarian bias - mauimusicman 16:51:56 02/23/07 (4)
- Re: I have no anti-utilitarian bias - Tom Brennan 17:08:08 02/23/07 (3)
- Re: I have no anti-utilitarian bias - mauimusicman 19:13:19 02/23/07 (1)
- Re: I have no anti-utilitarian bias - Ben P 21:32:04 02/23/07 (0)
- His designs are most intruiging - E-Stat 18:22:58 02/23/07 (0)
- My analogy remains - E-Stat 13:54:06 02/23/07 (2)
- no- a lack of good exemplars stands. - stuck.wilson@gmail.com 14:55:35 02/23/07 (1)
- You seem to obsess about drivers - E-Stat 15:35:58 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: Never heard one of those - Tom Brennan 08:47:06 02/23/07 (5)
- The term professional simply means used for work or hire - E-Stat 09:12:53 02/23/07 (4)
- Re: The term professional simply means used for work or hire - Tom Brennan 09:40:21 02/23/07 (3)
- You have it bass ackwards, Tom - E-Stat 11:38:58 02/23/07 (2)
- Re: You have it bass ackwards, Tom - Tom Brennan 12:40:41 02/23/07 (1)
- Which explains the diversity of opinions - E-Stat 13:30:37 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: Thoughts... - Donald North 23:36:36 02/22/07 (2)
- Re: Thoughts... - Terry 09:30:03 02/23/07 (1)
- Re: Thoughts... - Donald North 15:48:12 02/23/07 (0)
- Ordinary? - Quiet Earth 22:06:38 02/22/07 (0)
- I wouldn't worry about it. - Pat D 20:40:16 02/22/07 (2)
- Well said and may I add........ - kenster 00:09:02 02/23/07 (1)
- Amen - Robert C. Lang 00:23:38 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: Does a loudspeaker's time coherence matter ? - Donald North 18:57:10 02/22/07 (0)
- Re: Does a loudspeaker's time coherence matter ? - mamboni 18:55:44 02/22/07 (0)
- Re: Does a loudspeaker's time coherence matter ? - Tom Brennan 18:51:48 02/22/07 (0)
- Time coherence... - mkuller 17:48:43 02/22/07 (0)
- Absolutely. Just ask Richard Vadndersteen or Jim Thiel - nighteyes0 17:47:05 02/22/07 (18)
- Impossible for new Thiels to be phase coherent - Ben P 21:24:13 02/22/07 (14)
- Retraction - Ben P 03:41:48 02/27/07 (0)
- Re: Impossible for new Thiels to be phase coherent - Charles Hansen 19:19:05 02/23/07 (0)
- Re: Impossible for new Thiels to be phase coherent - Ben P 01:27:31 02/24/07 (0)
- Re: Impossible for new Thiels to be phase coherent - Tom Brennan 21:34:43 02/22/07 (10)
- Re: Impossible for new Thiels to be phase coherent - Ben P 21:43:48 02/22/07 (9)
- Correction - Ben P 22:19:22 02/22/07 (8)
- It's evident that you have no idea what you're talking about - dlr 15:22:07 02/23/07 (7)
- Example please? - Ben P 20:16:12 02/23/07 (6)
- Re: Example please? - dlr 07:33:56 02/24/07 (5)
- Re: Example please? - Ben P 20:26:20 02/24/07 (4)
- Re: Example please? - dlr 06:24:18 02/25/07 (3)
- Re: Example please? - Ben P 00:30:05 02/26/07 (2)
- Re: Example please? - dlr 15:11:07 02/26/07 (1)
- Re: Example please? - Ben P 03:27:01 02/27/07 (0)
- For an unbiased answer - ask people who sell them! (nt) - andy_c 20:12:20 02/22/07 (0)
- Re: Absolutely. Just ask Richard Vadndersteen or Jim Thiel - Doublej 18:11:27 02/22/07 (1)
- Correction Thiels are good looking speakers... - nighteyes0 18:39:07 02/22/07 (0)
Follow Ups
- You seem to obsess about drivers - E-Stat 15:35:58 02/23/07 (0)