In Reply to: I'll answer your question of "apparent effect" DCR-C-H tomorrow. (nt) posted by cheap-Jack on December 4, 2006 at 13:27:32:
Hi.Capacitance exists from every metal surface of a wire to all other metallic surfaces in & around the wire/cables (which is a bundle of wires).
The self-capacitance of a coil of wire is generated by the electroststic coupling btween individual turns, between layers of winding, AND turns with our mother earth.
If self-capacitance is too much, it will reduce the Q of the of the coil/winding & will be worsen via the dielectric or insulation of the wire or interleaving between windings.
In all cases, the self capacitance of a coil has an apparent effect on its true DCR, true inductance & true Q of the coil itself & at frequencies considerably below the self resonant frequency of the coil.
The apparent H, DCR & Q is always larger than their true values, &
the increment is proportional to its true H, DCR & Q value & inversely proportional to any additional capacitance to bring up to the coils resonance frequency.In multi layer coil winding, like audio transformers, winding capacitance is a huge issue. Various ways of winding, e.g. vertical sectionizing, etc. are employed to minimize the winding capacitance.
To reduce the leakage inductance of an audio transformer, mixing winding of the primary & seconday windings is often used. But at the expense of increasing the winding capacitance.
Quiz: why common mode chokes are typically built of two coils of a few loosely wound wires?
c-J
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Follow Ups
- The neglected factor: self-capacitance of coils ? - cheap-Jack 13:20:55 12/05/06 (57)
- I should have added... - Dave Cigna 17:07:06 12/05/06 (0)
- Re: The neglected factor: self-capacitance of coils ? - Dave Cigna 16:55:35 12/05/06 (55)
- Better read more books, bud. - cheap-Jack 08:40:51 12/06/06 (54)
- Answers to quiz questions - Dave Cigna 18:10:14 12/06/06 (53)
- Re: Answers to quiz questions - dave slagle 11:32:12 12/07/06 (2)
- Re: Answers to quiz questions - Dave Cigna 16:28:03 12/07/06 (1)
- Re: Answers to quiz questions - dave slagle 18:14:39 12/07/06 (0)
- Are you talking about CM choke or coil winding in general? - cheap-Jack 08:12:02 12/07/06 (13)
- Re: Are you talking about CM choke or coil winding in general? - Dave Cigna 16:16:40 12/07/06 (12)
- Sorry be "rude" again, I want more relevant answer than this. - cheap-Jack 09:22:41 12/08/06 (11)
- Re: Sorry be "rude" again, I want more relevant answer than this. - Dave Cigna 17:36:11 12/08/06 (10)
- Here is what I get from your 'teaching'. - cheap-Jack 19:58:32 12/08/06 (9)
- Ok - Dave Cigna 15:13:26 12/10/06 (2)
- The concept is simple, but .. - cheap-Jack 09:53:21 12/11/06 (1)
- Re: The concept is simple, but .. - Dave Cigna 16:40:48 12/11/06 (0)
- How can you be so confused? - Russ57 08:35:08 12/10/06 (4)
- Re: How can you be so confused? - dave slagle 18:34:06 12/10/06 (0)
- I double Dog dare you... - NoWay 17:56:12 12/10/06 (2)
- I guess we can say - Russ57 11:58:05 12/11/06 (1)
- Re: I guess we can say - NoWay 14:26:16 12/11/06 (0)
- As Henry would say... - Dave Cigna 06:33:22 12/09/06 (0)
- That's some fine Mole Whacking there Dave - NoWay 03:28:22 12/07/06 (0)
- Great job - Russ57 19:05:38 12/06/06 (34)
- Leave lip service behind, please. - cheap-Jack 09:05:48 12/07/06 (1)
- No reference that would satisfy you - Russ57 10:49:19 12/07/06 (0)
- Re: Great job - fatbottle 01:48:29 12/07/06 (0)
- Re: Great job - dave slagle 06:01:56 12/07/06 (21)
- Yes, balanced power irons do NOT guarantee symmetry. - cheap-Jack 08:21:36 12/07/06 (20)
- Re: Yes, balanced power irons do NOT guarantee symmetry. - fatbottle 08:30:09 12/07/06 (19)
- Wrong shot! Dave Slagle is the "expert" to answer you. - cheap-Jack 08:36:32 12/07/06 (18)
- 'Yes, balanced power irons do NOT guarantee symmetry' - fatbottle 08:44:17 12/07/06 (17)
- "Not too clever " of you either to call me "expert" - cheap-Jack 08:59:20 12/07/06 (16)
- A schematic for the expert - fatbottle 10:00:32 12/07/06 (14)
- Have you read Thomas Mayer 's posts? - Russ57 12:08:56 12/08/06 (9)
- Re: Have you read Thomas Mayer 's posts? - dave slagle 15:32:08 12/08/06 (7)
- Re: Have you read Thomas Mayer 's posts? - fatbottle 16:58:07 12/08/06 (6)
- Re: Have you read Thomas Mayer 's posts? - dave slagle 19:12:42 12/08/06 (5)
- Re: Have you read Thomas Mayer 's posts? - fatbottle 15:03:08 12/09/06 (4)
- Re: Have you read Thomas Mayer 's posts? - dave slagle 18:21:44 12/10/06 (3)
- Re: Have you read Thomas Mayer 's posts? - fatbottle 03:50:28 12/11/06 (2)
- Re: Have you read Thomas Mayer 's posts? - dave slagle 07:53:30 12/11/06 (1)
- Re: Have you read Thomas Mayer 's posts? - fatbottle 11:37:21 12/11/06 (0)
- yes - fatbottle 13:31:05 12/08/06 (0)
- Sorry to be "rude" again. - cheap-Jack 09:14:41 12/08/06 (3)
- $650 an hour Expert hahahahaha !!!!!!!!! - fatbottle 10:31:59 12/08/06 (2)
- Don't you know you're a kiddie mental case. - cheap-Jack 08:46:11 12/14/06 (1)
- I'd rather be a kiddie mental case than a stalking troll - fatbottle 10:17:33 12/14/06 (0)
- Please explain why balanced power irons do not guarantee symetry - fatbottle 09:13:23 12/07/06 (0)
- I have been using balanced power for years - Russ57 04:44:12 12/07/06 (8)
- Re: I have been using balanced power for years - fatbottle 05:23:35 12/07/06 (7)
- In case you don't know, ... - cheap-Jack 08:49:28 12/07/06 (6)
- That is your opinion but it is 'apple and orange' as you would say - fatbottle 09:22:55 12/07/06 (5)
- I'll add one small but important point - Russ57 16:43:42 12/07/06 (4)
- Re: I'll add one small but important point - dave slagle 18:32:34 12/07/06 (2)
- Yea, unbalanced centre-tapped power won't help much. - cheap-Jack 08:52:36 12/08/06 (0)
- What would you propose as an experiment? - Russ57 04:39:08 12/08/06 (0)
- Re: I'll add one small but important point - fatbottle 17:03:01 12/07/06 (0)