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In Reply to: In 40 years as an audiophile I've never heard a subjectivist say "I can't hear a difference between these two components posted by Richard BassNut Greene on October 19, 2006 at 13:44:52:
RBG,This statement of yours makes absolutly NO SENSE at all! "If no subjectivist ever says "I can't hear a difference", then that strongy implies all audio components sound different."
What that IMHO would strongly imply would be that all audio components sound the same, "IF" no subjectivist ever says "I can't hear a difference" that is. Fortunately I don't no one Subjectivist who says NEVER says "I can't hear a difference", I know sometimes it's possible to not hear a difference but not everytime.
I've never read a review with "I could not hear a difference" in Stereopile or in Absolute Spound. Why would you expect to? Reviewing components that sound a like would be like reviewing components that sound terrible, i.e. no one would want to read about it!
Thetubeguy1954
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Anyone Seen This Post? - thetubeguy1954 13:22:46 10/16/06 (210)
- Since when are tweaks necessary for great recording? - Atexanathome 16:54:31 10/23/06 (0)
- No it's not asinine but your post does fit that bill. So now you know! - Don T 21:36:12 10/19/06 (0)
- Everything in audio makes a difference - Russ57 05:09:42 10/19/06 (9)
- Re: Everything in audio makes a difference - hitsware 19:18:29 10/19/06 (0)
- Re: Everything in audio makes a difference - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 17:57:34 10/19/06 (7)
- Not Everything in audio makes a difference - Dan Banquer 13:22:57 10/21/06 (0)
- Re: typo - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 18:00:01 10/19/06 (5)
- Re: typo - john curl 19:27:59 10/19/06 (4)
- And just like my palate is never touchy about what wine gets poured down it, so long as it's 12-14% business. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:50:17 10/23/06 (0)
- Re: typo - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 19:54:13 10/19/06 (2)
- No they don't ! Perfect objects of pride for a perfect world - Jacques 03:05:03 10/20/06 (0)
- Yep, that's true - unclestu52 20:57:45 10/19/06 (0)
- Re: Anyone Seen This Post? - andy19191 01:31:45 10/19/06 (0)
- "Why if these high profit margin audio products work as claimed.. - AJinFLA 17:04:46 10/19/06 (7)
- Funny. - Dave Pogue 17:33:34 10/19/06 (6)
- You bet (nt) - AJinFLA 18:31:01 10/19/06 (1)
- Your agreement is noted - Dave Pogue 18:40:06 10/19/06 (0)
- Funny? - Dan Banquer 17:57:10 10/19/06 (3)
- Re: Funny? - Dave Pogue 18:21:28 10/19/06 (2)
- Wire Directionality? - Dan Banquer 04:25:25 10/20/06 (1)
- Really? - Dave Pogue 04:39:32 10/20/06 (0)
- Snake Oil being sold by someone with 10 PhD's is, umm, Snake Oil - AJinFLA 19:10:09 10/17/06 (109)
- Truth Spoken By Any Man Is Still The Truth - thetubeguy1954 08:23:34 10/18/06 (104)
- The manufacturers who *actually* prey on people are named Sony, Panasonic, Bose, Pioneer... they deliver CR*P! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:47:19 10/18/06 (95)
- Perfect Sound Forever - WinthorpeIII 07:43:16 10/23/06 (1)
- ...and better, and better, and.... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:00:17 10/23/06 (0)
- Re: The manufacturers who *actually* prey on people are named Sony, Panasonic, Bose, Pioneer... they deliver CR*P! nt - thetubeguy1954 09:14:32 10/18/06 (50)
- "I cannot believe the disservice people like RBG do to the newbies." Believe it! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:58:27 10/18/06 (49)
- It's oh so easy to claim every component sounds different when you never have to prove it - Richard BassNut Greene 08:44:17 10/19/06 (48)
- Re: It's oh so easy to claim every component sounds different when you never have to prove it - Soundmind 05:58:21 10/22/06 (0)
- It's Even Easier To Deny Component Sounds Different When You'll Never Accept The Offer To Have It Proven! - thetubeguy1954 08:54:01 10/19/06 (46)
- So now I'm: "King of the Lunatic Fringe Objectivists" -- I always wanted to be king of my castle - Richard BassNut Greene 09:27:13 10/19/06 (45)
- What's the difference between these statements? - kerr 10:09:45 10/19/06 (33)
- Re: What's the difference between these statements? - andy19191 14:53:23 10/19/06 (20)
- Re: What's the difference between these statements? - kerr 04:18:56 10/20/06 (19)
- "I find your attempts at insults humorous. " - Richard BassNut Greene 07:50:10 10/20/06 (3)
- Get Real or Truthful At Least - thetubeguy1954 09:34:22 10/20/06 (1)
- Tubular you have turned into a junkyard dog with his jaws clamped down on my pants cuff (and won't let go ... - Richard BassNut Greene 12:29:00 10/21/06 (0)
- Re: "I find your attempts at insults humorous. " - kerr 09:21:44 10/20/06 (0)
- Re: What's the difference between these statements? - andy19191 06:17:32 10/20/06 (14)
- Re: What's the difference between these statements? - kerr 06:56:10 10/20/06 (13)
- Re: What's the difference between these statements? - andy19191 08:23:01 10/20/06 (12)
- Understood (nt) - kerr 09:25:18 10/20/06 (0)
- Come & Be Astounded - thetubeguy1954 09:13:44 10/20/06 (10)
- Re: Come & Be Astounded - andy19191 12:40:33 10/20/06 (7)
- Re: Come & Be Astounded - thetubeguy1954 14:24:22 10/20/06 (6)
- Are you now comparing yourself to Einstein? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:57:54 10/21/06 (2)
- Are You Really This Stupid? - thetubeguy1954 17:38:32 10/21/06 (1)
- Lighten up Tubular -- that was a joke and a very funny one too .... - Richard BassNut Greene 07:50:22 10/23/06 (0)
- Words to live by - kerr 18:04:17 10/20/06 (2)
- And how are we suffering? - Atexanathome 17:05:02 10/23/06 (1)
- Re: And how are we suffering? - kerr 08:56:58 10/24/06 (0)
- Didn't P.T. Barnum say something like that? (nt) - AJinFLA 09:44:37 10/20/06 (1)
- Hey! That was going to be MY line!!!! - Pat D 18:08:59 10/21/06 (0)
- If many audiophiles have trouble differentiating among components with brand names hidden ... - Richard BassNut Greene 13:35:06 10/19/06 (11)
- LYING RBG - thetubeguy1954 10:40:10 10/21/06 (0)
- Umm.... - kerr 04:23:00 10/20/06 (7)
- The only way to be SURE you can hear wire differences is to demonstrate your skill to witnesses - Richard BassNut Greene 07:18:18 10/20/06 (6)
- LYING RBG - thetubeguy1954 08:51:13 10/20/06 (5)
- Still one man's claims as "proof" -- are all the alleged witnesses to your claimed extraordinary hearing skills dead? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:29:02 10/20/06 (4)
- Ranting RBG (((Kerr Read This))) - thetubeguy1954 09:46:55 10/20/06 (3)
- Please make up your mind -- Am I ranting or am I lying or am I ranting AND lying -- people want to know - Richard BassNut Greene 12:44:23 10/21/06 (2)
- You Are Both - thetubeguy1954 17:49:19 10/21/06 (1)
- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but everyone is not entitled to his own facts - Richard BassNut Greene 08:22:32 10/23/06 (0)
- Another Rant From RBG (( Kerr Read This ))) - thetubeguy1954 14:01:13 10/19/06 (1)
- Tubular you responded twice to my post -- which attack post should I read first ? - Richard BassNut Greene 12:47:05 10/21/06 (0)
- Don't Worry You Are, In Ranting RBG World! - thetubeguy1954 09:43:06 10/19/06 (10)
- In 40 years as an audiophile I've never heard a subjectivist say "I can't hear a difference between these two components - Richard BassNut Greene 13:44:52 10/19/06 (9)
- Your string is broken! ;-( - markrohr 03:54:24 10/20/06 (6)
- What Subjectivist Would Hang With RBG? - thetubeguy1954 08:56:39 10/20/06 (2)
- I would . . . - markrohr 12:27:57 10/20/06 (1)
- Sorry to disappoint you but I never argue about audio in person -- only on-line with WireNuts for entertainment - Richard BassNut Greene 12:55:18 10/21/06 (0)
- I said I'd never heard it -- I didn't say I'd never read it - Richard BassNut Greene 07:40:50 10/20/06 (1)
- Actually, the way I'd put #2 - markrohr 12:20:51 10/20/06 (0)
- Just what a guitarist loves to hear! :) - kerr 05:14:34 10/20/06 (0)
- PLEASE Tell Me You Are Not This Stupid! - thetubeguy1954 14:26:00 10/19/06 (1)
- You Are Not This Stupid - Richard BassNut Greene 07:34:12 10/20/06 (0)
- Yes Clark, to you, a $100 bottle of Fluoride is a much better value than a $100 Sony CDP LOL(nt) - AJinFLA 09:14:07 10/18/06 (41)
- Coward! - thetubeguy1954 09:18:35 10/18/06 (40)
- I didn't go see the image of the virgin mary on the side of that building, nor do I stay up late for Santa either. - AJinFLA 13:49:59 10/18/06 (37)
- Nor Do You Know The Truth About Wire & You Haven't The Guts To Learn It Either! - thetubeguy1954 17:21:25 10/18/06 (36)
- Look - AJinFLA 18:57:40 10/18/06 (35)
- Re: Look - john curl 21:33:24 10/18/06 (34)
- Wrong - AJinFLA 04:06:02 10/19/06 (33)
- It YOU Who's Wrong AJ - thetubeguy1954 08:15:14 10/19/06 (19)
- Re: It YOU Who's Wrong AJ - AJinFLA 15:02:09 10/19/06 (12)
- AJinFLA's Moronic & Cowardly Response - thetubeguy1954 07:38:13 10/20/06 (11)
- You forgot to take the slow deep breaths I suggested - AJinFLA 09:57:34 10/20/06 (10)
- Keep It Up! - thetubeguy1954 11:22:48 10/20/06 (9)
- How quickly you have descended to questioning the size of someone's gonads. - clifff 12:13:59 10/20/06 (8)
- Re: How quickly you have descended to lecturing others when you also insult to provoke! - thetubeguy1954 14:16:14 10/20/06 (5)
- So now I am an "Ignorant Piece of Shit"! - clifff 15:04:05 10/20/06 (4)
- Re: So now I am an "Ignorant Piece of Shit"! - thetubeguy1954 17:01:42 10/20/06 (3)
- Do I sound bothered? nt - clifff 02:32:45 10/21/06 (2)
- Rule no. 1: It's OK for TG54 to insult people. It's NOT- OK for you to point it out. - Pat D 08:36:48 10/23/06 (0)
- Yes You Did! (nt) - thetubeguy1954 17:50:31 10/21/06 (0)
- It was logically inevitable - AJinFLA 13:22:41 10/20/06 (1)
- Re: It was logically inevitable - thetubeguy1954 17:59:47 10/21/06 (0)
- "...staying up late for Santa." Yes, it's a coward's defense and a snarky one at that. - clarkjohnsen 08:54:20 10/19/06 (5)
- EXACTLY! - thetubeguy1954 09:31:42 10/19/06 (4)
- Re: EXACTLY! - john curl 10:58:58 10/19/06 (1)
- Ask AJinFLA That's His Beliefs! - thetubeguy1954 11:13:40 10/19/06 (0)
- "You would think AJinFLA would jump at the chance." Actually, no, I wouldn't. - clarkjohnsen 09:43:41 10/19/06 (1)
- Nor Was I, I Was Being Facetious. - thetubeguy1954 11:11:57 10/19/06 (0)
- Do you represent objectivists in general? - kerr 06:05:04 10/19/06 (12)
- I represent myself - AJinFLA 15:21:59 10/19/06 (1)
- Er... ok. - kerr 04:29:28 10/20/06 (0)
- "Or is it just you?" LOL! You perfectly well know the answer. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:56:10 10/19/06 (2)
- Seriously, I don't - kerr 09:53:57 10/19/06 (1)
- OF COURSE you know the answer; we all do. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:58:00 10/19/06 (0)
- YES It Is! - thetubeguy1954 08:36:53 10/19/06 (6)
- Re: YES It Is! - kerr 09:52:08 10/19/06 (5)
- Come On Down - thetubeguy1954 11:18:06 10/19/06 (4)
- Okay, I must ask... - andy_c 19:36:43 10/19/06 (1)
- Re: Okay, I must ask... - thetubeguy1954 09:19:03 10/20/06 (0)
- Will do! - kerr 11:34:06 10/19/06 (1)
- OK! - thetubeguy1954 12:29:22 10/19/06 (0)
- "The cheeks of your disbelief." Phrasemaker! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:00:17 10/18/06 (1)
- It's That Little Old Phrasemaker-- Me! nt - thetubeguy1954 10:35:38 10/18/06 (0)
- BS Spoken By A PhD Is Still BS - Richard BassNut Greene 08:39:57 10/18/06 (7)
- Truth Spoken By Any Man Is Still The Truth - thetubeguy1954 10:32:56 10/18/06 (1)
- "Extraordinary hearing ability" is the claimed ability to differentiate among virtually all wires and electronics - Richard BassNut Greene 07:56:12 10/20/06 (0)
- You don't need a PHD to pass on BS (NT) - unclestu52 09:26:24 10/18/06 (4)
- Nor To Speak The Truth (NT) - thetubeguy1954 10:37:01 10/18/06 (0)
- No, but it helps. ;-) nt - markrohr 10:17:49 10/18/06 (2)
- Just so you know... - Wellfed 00:01:44 10/19/06 (1)
- George Orwell once said - markrohr 04:30:34 10/19/06 (0)
- My preferred statement from Sprey is: - Jacques 01:41:40 10/18/06 (3)
- Re: My preferred statement from Sprey is: - john curl 10:53:50 10/18/06 (2)
- Cleaners - Jacques 12:50:26 10/18/06 (1)
- Re: Cleaners - john curl 15:48:14 10/18/06 (0)
- Mapleshade "free tweaks" range from bizarre to very useful -- I've never heard their wires - Richard BassNut Greene 09:50:09 10/17/06 (3)
- Re: Mapleshade "free tweaks" range from bizarre to very useful -- I've never heard their wires - Awe-d-o-file 12:41:38 10/17/06 (2)
- Re: Mapleshade "free tweaks" range from bizarre to very useful -- I've never heard their wires - kerr 15:30:31 10/17/06 (1)
- Re: Mapleshade "free tweaks" range from bizarre to very useful -- I've never heard their wires - Lynn 18:23:49 10/17/06 (0)
- Pierre's claims... - kerr 06:36:44 10/17/06 (36)
- "He adds to the rift... rather than seeking to bridge it." Hmm... - clarkjohnsen 09:13:20 10/17/06 (35)
- I have most of his cds and have tried most of his and Ron Bouman's wires and tweaks. - Norm 06:36:30 10/18/06 (3)
- I've gone pretty much the same direction... so we must be right! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:42:01 10/18/06 (2)
- Yeah, Grate minds think alike - AJinFLA 19:39:11 10/18/06 (1)
- With all apologies due to others that share my subjectivist leanings... - kerr 05:52:50 10/19/06 (0)
- Re: "He adds to the rift... rather than seeking to bridge it." Hmm... - Steve Eddy 10:05:14 10/17/06 (19)
- Here I thought that advanced degrees would appeal to "objectivists". Turns out, however... - clarkjohnsen 10:12:21 10/17/06 (18)
- I haven't yet met an objectivist... - Jim Austin 14:19:46 10/17/06 (12)
- "Objectivists" like yourself render judgements without benefit of listening; subjectivists listen. - clarkjohnsen 14:42:30 10/17/06 (11)
- Clueless Clark: "Objectivists" compare components without the bias of knowing brand names and having different SPL's - Richard BassNut Greene 15:00:37 10/17/06 (10)
- Ranting RBG: What Objectivists Call Extraordinary Hearing Ability A Subjectivists Calls A Trained Ear! - thetubeguy1954 10:44:00 10/18/06 (6)
- Aczel said that??? - kerr 11:27:48 10/18/06 (5)
- Re: Aczel said that??? - thetubeguy1954 12:07:01 10/18/06 (4)
- Re: Aczel said that??? - kerr 05:49:08 10/19/06 (3)
- Of course, it's basic to Aczel's POV. - Pat D 18:24:35 10/21/06 (2)
- Yes, you're correct - kerr 07:20:15 10/23/06 (1)
- Any specific criticisms? (nt) - Pat D 18:48:00 10/23/06 (0)
- Should I merely assume... - Wellfed 22:35:59 10/17/06 (2)
- Re: Should I merely assume... - kerr 04:53:48 10/18/06 (1)
- False negatives! Great thought. Objectivists don't have a clue what that would be. nt - Norm 16:12:02 10/18/06 (0)
- Re: Here I thought that advanced degrees would appeal to "objectivists". Turns out, however... - Steve Eddy 10:39:00 10/17/06 (4)
- *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* - Steve Eddy 14:56:29 10/17/06 (3)
- Re: *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* - Jim Austin 18:53:15 10/17/06 (2)
- Re: *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* *chirp* - Steve Eddy 19:17:02 10/17/06 (1)
- I hope not - Jim Austin 19:23:17 10/17/06 (0)
- PhD = Piled high and Deep -- very appropriate that he has two PhD's - Richard BassNut Greene 09:54:37 10/17/06 (1)
- RBG = Realtime BS Generator - thetubeguy1954 12:03:20 10/18/06 (0)
- See my post below to Tubeguy - kerr 09:35:44 10/17/06 (8)
- So who ranked them? But the fact is... - clarkjohnsen 09:47:11 10/17/06 (0)
- Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - Steve Eddy 09:45:02 10/17/06 (6)
- Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - kerr 11:19:25 10/17/06 (4)
- Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - Steve Eddy 11:59:53 10/17/06 (3)
- Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - kerr 15:25:53 10/17/06 (2)
- Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - Steve Eddy 17:56:37 10/18/06 (1)
- Re: See my post below to Tubeguy - kerr 10:13:08 10/19/06 (0)
- But that's a "worst case" evaluation. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:48:46 10/17/06 (0)
- Even Peter Aczel likes Mapleshade recordings. - Pat D 15:24:16 10/16/06 (1)
- Yes. I have - clifff 15:34:15 10/16/06 (0)
- Interesting - clifff 13:46:09 10/16/06 (35)
- Many of the tweaks evolved from the recording process - Dave Pogue 04:25:51 10/17/06 (0)
- Re: Interesting - thetubeguy1954 14:04:58 10/16/06 (33)
- I believe you ... - clifff 14:44:16 10/16/06 (32)
- Quotes From Mapleshade's Mailed Cataloge - thetubeguy1954 06:47:03 10/17/06 (14)
- You picked all of the MOST bizzare claims in the catalog -- you just LOVE being on the audio lunatic fringe don't you? - Richard BassNut Greene 10:04:17 10/17/06 (5)
- How do you get the right to define the audio lunatic fringe. I would maintain that you are on it. nt - Norm 16:20:03 10/18/06 (1)
- Good Guess Norm! - thetubeguy1954 17:24:07 10/18/06 (0)
- Re: You picked all of the MOST bizzare claims in the catalog -- you just LOVE being on the audio lunatic fringe don't yo - thetubeguy1954 13:03:02 10/17/06 (2)
- TubeGuy sez:"WIRES ARE A COMPONENT JUST AS CRITICAL AS SPEAKERS " = Tube Guy is a certified audio wacko - Richard BassNut Greene 08:24:21 10/18/06 (1)
- RBG sez Subjectivists = Extraordinary Hearing Ability , Even Peter Aczel Denies This! RBG = Lunatic Fringe Objectivist - thetubeguy1954 10:54:49 10/18/06 (0)
- Do you believe the quote from Page 33? - kerr 08:53:46 10/17/06 (7)
- Yes, I Know It's True! - thetubeguy1954 09:40:56 10/17/06 (6)
- Re: Yes, I Know It's True! - kerr 11:25:19 10/17/06 (4)
- Re: Yes, I Know It's True! - thetubeguy1954 13:52:14 10/17/06 (3)
- Nicely synopsized. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:38:25 10/18/06 (0)
- Thanks for the clarification (nt) - kerr 15:27:38 10/17/06 (1)
- De Nada (nt) - thetubeguy1954 11:01:34 10/18/06 (0)
- You dare to *play by ear*? What are you, some kind of *musician*? This is *science* fella! Get with it. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:47:31 10/17/06 (0)
- Thanks.... - thetubeguy1954 16:53:12 10/16/06 (16)
- Re: Thanks.... - john curl 20:56:54 10/16/06 (15)
- Re: Thanks.... - jneutron 08:12:34 10/17/06 (7)
- Re: Thanks.... - john curl 12:30:22 10/17/06 (6)
- Re: Thanks.... - Steve Eddy 14:21:38 10/17/06 (2)
- Yeah, just do it... - Wellfed 22:43:00 10/17/06 (1)
- Re: Yeah, just do it... - Steve Eddy 15:09:37 10/18/06 (0)
- Re: Thanks.... - jneutron 13:51:14 10/17/06 (2)
- Re: Thanks.... - john curl 10:58:38 10/18/06 (1)
- Your welcome. sorry I didn't have more for you. nt - jneutron 11:56:09 10/18/06 (0)
- JC: a Pearl Thrown In Manure - Jacques 01:20:09 10/17/06 (6)
- Re: JC: a Pearl Thrown In Manure - john curl 06:03:57 10/17/06 (5)
- Huh? - kerr 06:40:33 10/17/06 (4)
- Bravo Kerr! - thetubeguy1954 08:30:53 10/17/06 (3)
- It's simple, really - kerr 08:45:13 10/17/06 (2)
- Re: It's simple, really - bwaslo 09:08:36 10/17/06 (1)
- Re: It's simple, really - kerr 09:33:02 10/17/06 (0)
Follow Ups
- PLEASE Tell Me You Are Not This Stupid! - thetubeguy1954 14:26:00 10/19/06 (1)
- You Are Not This Stupid - Richard BassNut Greene 07:34:12 10/20/06 (0)
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