In Reply to: Don't be so glum, there's a perfect opportunity for *you* to learn something. posted by bjh on December 19, 2005 at 08:11:00:
> I referring specifically to your opinion of the sonic differences (or lack of) between amplifier, i.e you said:
> "To date, my experience, the experience of those I know and the experience and actions of audio professionals indicates that properly designed modern amplifiers operating well away from clipping and driving a benign load are not audibly distinguishable."I think you will find it is a bit more than an opinion and the proportion of people who do not know it in the audio profession is small to negligible.
> You need to talk to Dan Banquer, he apparently has evidence it to contrary, in fact in support of the notion that even DBT's can demonstrate such sonic differences he asid:
> "From what I read on my pro audio thread, the pro guys have been finding differences for years. They don't bother publishing the results because they don't get paid for it, and as we all know, no good deed goes unpunished." (see below for source).Now Dan's business is selling fairly expensive solid state amplifiers and so he would be very foolish to say something similar to what I said in public. However, what Dan has said is not evidence and Dan is not claiming that it is. He is simply passing on information that will help his cause and I have no reason to believe it is untrue. This is the tricky path that he and many others at the sharp end would seem to have to walk if they wish to market successfully to the high end audio sector without overly compromising their integrity. Others such as myself who are not in the high end audio trade can be blunt.
It is pity that small manufacturers like Dans are not being more successful in the high end audio sector. It is also a pity he has to take care with his words rather than relaxing and positively promoting his products on my two caveats of clipping and load plus the other advantages his amplifiers are likely to have over cheaper ones. But I guess this is the downside of potential customers full of nonsense about subjective differences and little technical understanding.
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- Re: Don't be so glum, there's a perfect opportunity for *you* to learn something. - andy19191 16:11:27 12/19/05 (62)
- Re: Don't be so glum, there's a perfect opportunity for *you* to learn something. - Dan Banquer 16:34:40 12/19/05 (61)
- So what you're saying is that - E-Stat 17:14:41 12/19/05 (60)
- I couldn't possibly say anything that you won't deliberately misinterpret. - Dan Banquer 18:01:50 12/19/05 (59)
- Humor me here - E-Stat 18:32:33 12/19/05 (58)
- That would call for you to have a sense of humor. - Dan Banquer 18:40:28 12/19/05 (57)
- Re: That would call for you to have a sense of humor. - john curl 09:46:13 12/22/05 (5)
- Re: That would call for you to have a sense of humor. - john curl 15:02:13 12/22/05 (3)
- Re: That would call for you to have a sense of humor. - Dan Banquer 11:56:26 12/23/05 (0)
- And, BTW, just in case it's not completely clear, I mean - bjh 08:55:47 12/23/05 (0)
- Ahhhh! Good specs! If they're really really good I'll be buying two! ;-) nt - bjh 20:24:25 12/22/05 (0)
- Re: That would call for you to have a sense of humor. - bjh 11:59:18 12/22/05 (0)
- Re: That would call for you to have a sense of humor. - morricab 06:06:24 12/21/05 (1)
- Re: That would call for you to have a sense of humor. - Dan Banquer 10:26:28 12/21/05 (0)
- Why then don't you explain them to - E-Stat 18:57:08 12/19/05 (48)
- If I Only Had A Brain - Mudcat 03:53:14 12/20/05 (1)
- Why don't you ask Dan why - E-Stat 04:46:02 12/20/05 (0)
- Re: Why then don't you explain them to - andy19191 03:39:15 12/20/05 (44)
- Answers - E-Stat 04:59:39 12/20/05 (43)
- Re: Answers - andy19191 06:00:56 12/20/05 (33)
- More answers - E-Stat 06:17:45 12/20/05 (31)
- Re: More answers - andy19191 07:16:36 12/20/05 (30)
- Re: More answers - john curl 10:46:40 12/21/05 (3)
- Re: More answers - andy19191 12:21:54 12/21/05 (2)
- Re: More answers - john curl 13:50:12 12/21/05 (1)
- Re: More answers - andy19191 14:43:47 12/21/05 (0)
- Re: More answers - morricab 06:28:51 12/21/05 (3)
- Re: More answers - andy19191 07:51:24 12/21/05 (1)
- Re: More answers - Tom Dawson 15:09:41 12/22/05 (0)
- Excellent post! Thank you! (nt) - kerr 07:07:06 12/21/05 (0)
- Re: More answers - E-Stat 07:43:06 12/20/05 (21)
- Re: More answers - andy19191 06:49:45 12/21/05 (20)
- Re: More answers - Tom Dawson 13:34:19 12/22/05 (0)
- It seems we approach the requirements of an amp quite differently - E-Stat 07:34:57 12/21/05 (12)
- Re: It seems we approach the requirements of an amp quite differently - andy19191 09:15:53 12/21/05 (11)
- Re: It seems we approach the requirements of an amp quite differently - john curl 10:57:33 12/21/05 (8)
- Re: It seems we approach the requirements of an amp quite differently - andy19191 11:33:18 12/21/05 (7)
- Re: It seems we approach the requirements of an amp quite differently - john curl 14:06:02 12/21/05 (6)
- Re: It seems we approach the requirements of an amp quite differently - andy19191 14:57:34 12/21/05 (5)
- Is English your first language? - mkuller 10:55:04 12/22/05 (4)
- Re: Is English your first language? - andy19191 08:23:03 01/13/06 (0)
- The sad part is that some of the engineers - E-Stat 15:58:45 12/22/05 (0)
- Re: Is English your first language? - john curl 15:09:44 12/22/05 (1)
- One thing we can be certain of... - mkuller 12:33:19 12/23/05 (0)
- Next set of answers - E-Stat 09:42:15 12/21/05 (1)
- Re: Next set of answers - kerr 10:40:34 12/21/05 (0)
- Re: More answers - morricab 07:06:36 12/21/05 (5)
- Re: More answers - andy19191 09:58:10 12/21/05 (4)
- Re: More answers - morricab 14:06:43 12/21/05 (3)
- Re: More answers - john curl 14:18:16 12/21/05 (2)
- Re: More answers - bjh 15:39:10 12/21/05 (1)
- There's nothing wrong with... - mkuller 10:45:35 12/22/05 (0)
- What I find interesting is - bjh 06:09:24 12/20/05 (0)
- Re: Answers - Dan Banquer 05:10:05 12/20/05 (8)
- I wasn't asking for an infomercial - E-Stat 05:50:52 12/20/05 (3)
- Re: I wasn't asking for an infomercial - Dan Banquer 10:19:23 12/21/05 (2)
- Re: I wasn't asking for an infomercial - morricab 04:16:06 12/22/05 (0)
- Grumpy as ever - E-Stat 10:33:46 12/21/05 (0)
- Well then how about - bjh 05:12:48 12/20/05 (3)
- Re: Well then how about - Dan Banquer 05:17:34 12/20/05 (2)
- Re: Well then how about - morricab 06:42:32 12/21/05 (1)
- Re: Well then how about - Dan Banquer 10:09:56 12/21/05 (0)
- All anyone needed to get the essential point ... - bjh 22:31:01 12/19/05 (0)