In Reply to: So let's double check this..... posted by Commuteman on August 27, 2003 at 13:33:18:
""BUT, if the cable is symmetrical, each junction has a partner "reverse junction" at the other end of the cable. This junction exhibits exactly the same Peltier effect, but reversed.
This leads to a Seebeck effect potential that is exactly opposite the first junction.""PeterAnd, I agree, the shield should have the exact same things happening..
What I'm interested in is the non perfect conversion from current to heat, and back again...As, that will cause an energy dissipation.
Peltier: Heat = (A-B) * I (A,B) being peltier coeff..
Heat can be + or -
So, one heats, the other cools. Note the amount of heating does not depend on temp.
Seebeck: V = (C-D) * (T2-T1) C,D seebeck coeff...T being temps
Now, since the temp diffs T2, T1 are so very small, the seebeck return is very small..Seebeck depends on temp diff, where peltier does not.
So, not too much is returned by seebeck..
Any that is, has to be the local stuff..Remember, some of the heat and cold (yah, I know) is travelling away from the junction never to return..so seebeck will not have all the energy available to return.
What still gets me is how the peltier effect is related only to current, whereas a resistor is current times voltage..I still think that will remove energy in a non linear way..and in the way JC has measured.
Cheers, John
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- Re: So let's double check this..... - jneutron 14:06:04 08/27/03 (49)
- that's why it seems to be disappearing into the noise.. - Commuteman 21:42:35 08/27/03 (48)
- Re: that's why it seems to be disappearing into the noise.. - jneutron 04:11:17 08/28/03 (47)
- I'm not sure I missed the point... - Commuteman 17:25:28 08/28/03 (46)
- calcs. - jneutron 04:09:38 08/29/03 (0)
- Re: I'm not sure I missed the point... - jneutron 18:43:57 08/28/03 (44)
- It goes to the other junction - Commuteman 08:46:25 08/29/03 (43)
- Re: It goes to the other junction - jneutron 08:58:31 08/29/03 (42)
- Meanwhile, back in the original discussion...... - Commuteman 13:15:41 09/03/03 (9)
- definitely.. - jneutron 14:14:47 09/03/03 (8)
- "sycophant"... - slope 12:33:44 09/04/03 (1)
- thanks..nt - jneutron 13:55:50 09/04/03 (0)
- Are they both consuming energy? - Commuteman 21:25:55 09/03/03 (5)
- Re: Are they both consuming energy? - jneutron 06:44:47 09/04/03 (4)
- Not so fast buddy..... - Commuteman 15:44:25 09/04/03 (3)
- Re: Not so fast buddy..... - jneutron 05:59:31 09/05/03 (2)
- I'm glad I'm not lifting that sheetrock, although we do need to do that kitchen... - Commuteman 09:39:05 09/05/03 (1)
- I couldn't afford the money I'd want to charge to do this stuff. - jneutron 10:18:06 09/05/03 (0)
- Re: It goes to the other junction - john curl 17:15:57 08/29/03 (31)
- Is that all you can add? Oh sure? - jneutron 17:12:10 08/31/03 (30)
- What is your problem? - Charles Hansen 19:57:17 08/31/03 (29)
- That "cheerleaders without facts" post here" - jneutron 14:09:24 09/01/03 (28)
- Wow, not only are you impolite... - Charles Hansen 14:35:13 09/01/03 (27)
- Wow...technical dialogue for a change.. - jneutron 14:53:49 09/02/03 (26)
- Oh, I forgot to add - jneutron 15:29:03 09/02/03 (0)
- I'm now placing you... - Charles Hansen 15:20:19 09/02/03 (24)
- Weak>> - robotk 04:26:39 09/03/03 (1)
- Re: Weak>> - jneutron 05:34:04 09/03/03 (0)
- Relax will ya. - Hafdef 17:53:19 09/02/03 (0)
- BFD....Personally, I think you're full of hot ayre.... - slope 15:56:02 09/02/03 (3)
- What is BFD?? - jneutron 05:31:50 09/03/03 (2)
- Re: What is BFD?? - LarryR 06:10:54 09/03/03 (1)
- Thanks Larry - jneutron 06:26:31 09/03/03 (0)
- Damn...off by about two minutes.. - jneutron 15:32:32 09/02/03 (16)
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- Re: Damn...off by about two minutes.. - john curl 00:13:38 09/03/03 (13)
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- Why do you even bother anymore? - kuribo 10:29:17 09/03/03 (10)
- How do you judge? - Commuteman 13:41:56 09/03/03 (6)
- Hmmm. - jneutron 14:58:45 09/03/03 (5)
- I'll go look for the posts, but am I wrong? - Commuteman 21:42:04 09/03/03 (4)
- btw... - jneutron 10:02:11 09/04/03 (2)
- Now that IS a pointless exercise....NT - Commuteman 10:18:09 09/04/03 (1)
- Perhaps.. - jneutron 11:09:34 09/04/03 (0)
- Re: I'll go look for the posts, but am I wrong? - jneutron 07:10:52 09/04/03 (0)
- Hi Kuribo - jneutron 11:44:52 09/03/03 (2)
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