In Reply to: Sorry, y'all, the analogy fails... posted by Silver Eared John on December 31, 2005 at 14:51:34:
We can measure a stutterer in hundreds of different ways: body temperature, heart rate, blood pressure, red and white blood-cell count, cat scan, MRI, you name it.We can even measure how many times he stutters, on what words, under what circumstances, what time of day, what he's eaten, how much coffee he's had, whether he's stressed or not.
The point is, while all of these observations and measurements (including the things actual researchers are actually looking at) can tell us a lot about the stutterer, none has revealed what makes him stutter.
All analogies have flaws, but this one holds up pretty well.
I once spent the better part of a year breadboarding over two dozen headphone amplifier designs--some purloined, some of my own confection--in search of a circuit I could live with.
Every last one of them had essentially perfect frequency response and exquisitely low distortion and noise according to my measurements.
Yet they all sounded different, and some sounded awful.
Now, with my limited equipment I can't measure all the fancy things we can measure today, so perhaps there's a measurement lurking out there somewhere that would explain the audible differences between these circuits. But at the same time, even a full suite of amplifier measurements doesn't seem to explain differences we hear.
I look forward to the day when we will be able to find the measurement(s) that explain why amps sound different, just as I look forward to the day when science can find the cause of my stuttering, and my son's, and perhaps find a remedy.
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Follow Ups
- Actually, it works just fine. - markrohr 09:05:24 01/01/06 (51)
- Nope, y'all aren't around the idea - Silver Eared John 21:04:29 01/01/06 (50)
- Re: Nope, y'all aren't around the idea - Tre' 20:08:24 01/04/06 (1)
- Unfortunately, he is - E-Stat 13:41:29 01/07/06 (0)
- "With an amplifier... we can measure everything that it sends to the speaker." Intellectual arrogance pure and simple. n - clarkjohnsen 16:27:52 01/03/06 (47)
- Y'all just can't stop it, can y'all - Silver Eared John 18:58:30 01/03/06 (46)
- I am not sure that this is really true SEJ... - morricab 08:31:03 01/10/06 (0)
- Re: Y'all just can't stop it, can y'all - Tre' 20:10:19 01/04/06 (1)
- Those two alternatives? I'll pick #2. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:48:44 01/05/06 (0)
- Was it not true . . . - markrohr 08:33:43 01/04/06 (42)
- Gonna follow-up his non-response? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:50:00 01/05/06 (0)
- Y'all need to do some homework... - Silver Eared John 13:05:37 01/04/06 (12)
- "So, y'all, what next?"---I posted it before. Do your homework. Meanwhile, do you ever address an actual point? nt - markrohr 09:58:13 01/05/06 (3)
- Re: "So, y'all, what next?"---I posted it before. Do your homework. Meanwhile, do you ever address an actual point? nt - Dan Banquer 17:06:07 01/06/06 (2)
- Um . . . - markrohr 18:57:00 01/06/06 (1)
- Re: Um . . . - Dan Banquer 04:50:38 01/07/06 (0)
- Hey Mark! He's saying you got the dates wrong, not the argument. Congratulations. nt - clarkjohnsen 15:50:09 01/04/06 (7)
- Yep, as usual, audio was way behind the times... - Silver Eared John 18:39:03 01/05/06 (6)
- Still weaseling out of the question. Beautiful show! Shows that way deep down you're... - clarkjohnsen 09:16:10 01/06/06 (1)
- Re: Still weaseling out of the question. Beautiful show! Shows that way deep down you're... - Dan Banquer 17:10:02 01/06/06 (0)
- Would be nice if you actually answered the question: there's nothing left to learn about amplifiers? We're *done*?nt - markrohr 03:21:33 01/06/06 (3)
- Didn't say that, so why don't y'all go bother someone who did... - Silver Eared John 16:41:29 01/06/06 (2)
- Ei-yi-yi. - markrohr 19:13:21 01/06/06 (1)
- I'm not to blame for y'all inability to read. - Silver Eared John 14:51:50 01/07/06 (0)
- "How do we know when we're done?" EASY! Just ask SEJJ or jj. - clarkjohnsen 11:36:57 01/04/06 (27)
- Y'all have to keep up the stalkin' don't ye? - Silver Eared John 13:06:50 01/04/06 (26)
- "...then physics is broken." O ye of small minds! Most of the measurements made by the regnant orthodoxy... - clarkjohnsen 15:45:49 01/04/06 (25)
- Y'all awake there, fella? - Silver Eared John 23:07:35 01/04/06 (24)
- You are *so* full of it. - clarkjohnsen 09:47:15 01/05/06 (23)
- Two orthogonal scalars make a vector. - Silver Eared John 18:00:23 01/05/06 (22)
- "Frequency response" (a favorite measurement) is a scalar. THD (another) is similarly neglectful... - clarkjohnsen 09:13:52 01/06/06 (21)
- So who is suggesting we'd use that, Clark? - Silver Eared John 12:13:36 01/06/06 (20)
- Re: So who is suggesting we'd use that, Clark? - markrohr 13:07:06 01/06/06 (19)
- He's still weaseling out of the question. Beautiful! This one goes into Permanent File. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:22:16 01/07/06 (17)
- When y'all learn the difference between a scalar, a vector, and a function of 't', get back to me. - Silver Eared John 14:55:06 01/07/06 (16)
- Everyone look: WEASELING WEASELING WEASELING! nt - clarkjohnsen 08:43:14 01/08/06 (15)
- Y'all certainly are, Clark - Silver Eared John 13:49:18 01/09/06 (14)
- STILL WON'T ADDRESS QUESTION. SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF SELF. BUT ISN'T. STOP. nt - clarkjohnsen 23:32:40 01/09/06 (13)
- Well, as a sensible question, slick - Silver Eared John 23:38:33 01/09/06 (12)
- Now we may add boldfaced lying, to your miserable weaseling and your rudeness. The question plainly stated: - clarkjohnsen 00:12:57 01/10/06 (11)
- There's no question in that post, slick... - Silver Eared John 16:28:30 01/10/06 (10)
- Re: "There's no question in that post, slick." None anyway that you can answer. IN FACT THERE WERE FOUR. - clarkjohnsen 17:17:25 01/10/06 (9)
- Yeah, yeah... - Silver Eared John 19:58:03 01/10/06 (8)
- Re: No… - $orabji! 15:58:49 01/12/06 (7)
- Please, no substance! No direct answers! ;-) - markrohr 11:53:43 01/13/06 (6)
- Shame y'all couldn't google for 10 seconds... - Silver Eared John 13:15:08 01/13/06 (5)
- When you're interested in conversing rather than preening get back to me. nt - markrohr 15:10:29 01/13/06 (4)
- When y'all interested in real discussion, y'all get back to me. - Silver Eared John 17:42:10 01/13/06 (3)
- Re: When y'all interested in real discussion, y'all get back to me. - markrohr 07:49:16 01/14/06 (2)
- Also... - Silver Eared John 20:52:58 01/14/06 (0)
- Let me explain... - Silver Eared John 20:50:35 01/14/06 (0)
- Don't try to fool me,, son, that's not suggesting the use of a "scalar"... - Silver Eared John 13:29:49 01/06/06 (0)