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In Reply to: but.... posted by jdaniel on May 8, 2006 at 08:48:11:
You said:***I was glad to see in the EMM labs postings above that the authors admitted, with qualifications, that Lp playback is still superior.***
This is true. But they also said a couple of other things such as acknowledging that are many who would disagree with their conclusion that LP playback is superior. I for one (of thousands) strongly disagree.
It was also very clear that the LP playback part of the chain (turntable, cartridge, tone arm, phono pre, cables, etc.) cost, I would estimate $100,000 by itself. But I would be the first to acknowledge that that cost really doesn't mean all that much, because I can point out audiophiles with $500 (with discounts) LP playback systems who will use almost the *exact* wording to describe their vinyl listening experience. The cost does not matter because vinyl is going to sound like vinyl. Too be sure the expensive system will sound tons better. But in a properly set up system, no matter what the cost, well-done LPs will have the same wonderful virtues but also most of the same afflictions because they (the virtues and afflictions) are intrinsic to the format. Properly set up vinyl will generally sound better to those that have a pre disposition to it. And if you do have a pre disposition for it you can’t disguise that it is, in fact, vinyl, because it *sounds* like vinyl. Transparency be damned. That’s why it can, with the right equipment sound *better* than real (too me).
One thing that the *vast* majority of vinyl devotees have in common. They (we) are dye-in-the-wool baby boomers or slightly older or slightly younger. We grew up on the stuff. Nobody is going to tell us that Mickey Mantle or Elgin Baylor had less skill than the pretenders of today. And when they do we can give very convincing arguments why they were the best of all time. Why? Because they *were* great. And vinyl too is great, then and now. It is very easy to defend. But defend you must.
You also said ****I just came back to vinyl after 20 years of listening to CDs and couldn't be happier.***. Well, you are preaching to the choir there. I think very few in this forum would disagree on that as I too said in my post. Although many would disagree with you (and me) that if you eliminated 15-20 year old CDs and only included more recent ones that CDs would stack up nicely. I can't comment on that too much because I have not listened to many newer vintage CDs. My paradigm has been largely limited to SACDs and LPs. And to me *randomly selected* two-channel SACDs sound, overall, as good or better than the best, hand picked LPs. Although, I admit that direct-to-disc with certain genre really pulls me into the music unlike no other two-channel I have experienced. But to bring direct-to-disc into the equation is almost as nonsensical as my Mickey Mantle analogy. (I don't believe for one nano second that he was better than Willie Mays).
And, of course, most vinyl devotees have little or really no experience with top tier SACD multi-channel playback. The closest most come to a multi-channel experience, were those experiences formed in their youth/young adulthood with Quadraphonic. Well, I have intimate experiences with the best of vinyl playback and the best of SACD multi-channel playback. And to me top tier SACD multi-channel playback is *vastly* superior. To paraphrase your words “you just have to sit down and listenâ€.
But if you were going to crown a king of the analog world then even vinyl devotees pay homage to comparable reel-to-reel playback equipment. Bummer.
Robert C. Lang
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Follow Ups
- Re: but.... - Robert C. Lang 12:09:35 05/08/06 (3)
- disagree on one of your points... - tunenut 12:08:37 05/10/06 (2)
- Actually that was presented as a fact, not an opinion. - Robert C. Lang 14:59:16 05/10/06 (1)
- not taken as disparagement - tunenut 15:20:23 05/10/06 (0)
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