In Reply to: Re: Reply to John Curl's suggestion to read Schroeder's "Models of hearing" posted by john curl on May 16, 2007 at 11:05:29:
It's not a matter of terminology. Phase inversion is described, but for the second of two test tones which are then played in combination, such as in chapter "F".I have no doubts at all that polarity inversion is clearly audible with test tones but the question is, how relevant are test tones for music lovers? And Schroeder simply doesn't mention listening tests where music was used.
We know about Greiner's results where "inversion of acoustic polarity is clearly audible for some intruments played in some styles and for some listening situations" and where "polarity inversion is not easily heard with normal complex musical program material, as our lage-scale listening tests showed".
Lipshitz also has performed tests with music, not only test tones, so the results of these tests would be interesting. But since Clark is reluctant to provide that information...
Klaus
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Follow Ups
- Re: We had not refined the terminology yet. - KlausR. 23:18:46 05/16/07 (7)
- Re: We had not refined the terminology yet. - john curl 21:23:08 05/17/07 (6)
- Had a bad day, John? - KlausR. 23:34:05 05/17/07 (5)
- Re: Had a bad day, John? - john curl 13:38:50 05/18/07 (4)
- Re: Had a bad day, John? - john curl 15:44:03 05/20/07 (0)
- Now it's throwing mud, you're improving by the day,John! - KlausR. 23:03:11 05/18/07 (2)
- Re: Now it's throwing mud, you're improving by the day,John! - john curl 23:11:09 05/18/07 (1)
- Now it's insults, it's getting better by the minute! - KlausR. 00:17:59 05/19/07 (0)