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In Reply to: RE: Has anyone here been disappointed by "flagship" headphones? posted by Frihed89 on February 25, 2014 at 23:33:04
I have a number; the most serious contender is the K701. It sounds more natural and cohesive than the HD800 or LCD-2, which i also own.More and more, I think it's a matter of sound preference, the music one listens to and system synergy...in that order. IMO, no headphone can reproduce recorded music as well as a pretty average-good speaker.
Observe, before you think. Think before you open your yap. Act on the basis of experience.
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K701's over HD800's?
On the one hand, well, everyones ears hear differently.
On the other hand, you're crazy. Barking mad.
I've owned both. It's like comparing BOSE 901's to Quad ESL's.
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I'm glad you were able to restrain yourself.
Observe, before you think. Think before you open your yap. Act on the basis of experience.
Agree on the 701's. I don't like thick, bloated sounding bass but some people think that "bass-heavy" headphones provide them with a more tactile listening experience.Headphones and loudspeakers each have their own strengths, IMO.
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I find the bass to be the strong point of the HD800s, but nothing else, and i am not into bassy music.
Observe, before you think. Think before you open your yap. Act on the basis of experience.
... the bass frequencies (or any single ASPECT of any kind, for that matter) seem to be ***the strong point*** of a pair of headphones, that is when I know that something fundamentally important is missing. Or, at the very least, such is an indication that the dramatic roles a given pair of headphones might play are limited ones.I feel that almost every pair of headphones is going to have it's strengths as well as it's shortcomings. But one of the things I like most about the 701 is that it is one of the most coherent sounding headphones. In this case, "coherency" implies that select frequency range(s) rarely seem to overpower other parts of the frequency range.
When the frequency arc is ***subjectively smooth*** (regardless of the actual measurements) the gateway to Audio Nirvana no longer seems to be fronted by the Hounds of Hell. This is very comforting feeling to have.
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Thanks. My own use of the term may be the same, I'm not sure. For speakers, I would emphasize the seamless quality of the cross-overs, so that the transitions are smooth. For headphones, perhaps "well integrated" is what I mean. In other words, the sound in the various frequency ranges fits together. In Flagships, that often isn't the case.
I also find it interesting that while most audiophiles find the joy of music in the mid-range (if you had to pick one), headophiles seem to prefer bass.
Observe, before you think. Think before you open your yap. Act on the basis of experience.
... (once again) sometimes prefer a slight overdose of bass. In real life deep bass is felt by the body, just as it is heard by the ears. Similarly, vibrations and/or air movement being pushed against the skin and bones of the skull during headphone listening contributes to a feeling of realism.The only problem is, in order to provide any semblance of this sort of "feeling" (tactile bass) within the confines of the typical headphone earpiece, one might end up by boosting the bass frequencies somewhat beyond what might be considered as "neutral" in frequency response. "Neutral", as considered by those who don't feel the need for their skull to shake during listening?
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"one might end up by boosting the bass frequencies somewhat beyond what might be considered as "neutral" in frequency response. "Neutral", as considered by those who don't feel the need for their skull to shake during listening?"
OMG, you can't be serious?
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
Why, of course - I am always very serious when I kid around about serious things. It's yes and no...Yes, the bass is literally "boosted" in a number of popular headphone designs. And no, heads don't literally shake when people listen to them.
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the new Abyss headphones. They were so "piercing" in the bass, I literally had to rip them off my head to avoid shock therapy treatment.
Observe, before you think. Think before you open your yap. Act on the basis of experience.
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