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In Reply to: RE: Saga + with LISST posted by Cougar on November 30, 2024 at 09:30:32
I never really looked into LISST in great detail. Are they solid-state 6SN7 replacements? Do you know what technology lives inside a LISST?
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Hi Abe,
Yes, these are Solid State replacements.Here is what Schiit wrote.
"What's inside are two depletion-mode MOSFETs, together with minimal support circuitry to protect them against static, and to set the gain necessary for our products. There's no "triodization" or other tricks applied to make them act like tubes, or have curves like tubes. They're just good, linear, solid-state devices...-in a can."They sure do sound good. Like I said, I could easily live with these in my Saga +. But like everything else in this hobby, it's up to the individual's taste.
One thing that stands out is that there better definition on lows and you can really hear the difference on the bass drum. Bass is better as well.
I don't know you listen to your system level wise, but when I turn up the system it just gets better and nothing changes in sound (harshness or stress) as volume goes up. Also they need some time to break in to sound their best. :)
Edits: 11/30/24
Thanks!
I should have looked into the LISST cans when I had my Freya+. I enjoyed the Freya+ but thought it could have had richer midrange and bass impact. The all solid-state Kara is my preference but I never heard the Freya+ with LISST.
I wonder if those LISST cans are designed for Schiit preamps only or if they can be used as replacements for 6SN7's in other brands.
I'm sure they will work in other preamps if tried but maybe reliability will come into play? If I had a different preamp that used 6SN7 I would give it a try and have some sort answer to that question. Maybe when I have some extra time I will build a very simple circuit using a single 6SN7 and see what happens just to get some sort of answer to that question. I will takes some VDC measurements on the Plate Pins 2 & 5 to see what Schiit's Plate VDC is for their tubes. The 6SN7 max Plate Vdc is 300Vdc, so that is a starting point.
as to how well they work in other brands and applications. Might run hot in some cases.
They don't recommend for any other gear, only the Schiit preamps.
... I think that has more to do with them just not wanting to be in the middle of any disputes involving other brands. It'd be easy to try a LISST and then point fingers at that tube if the gear had any problems after that. With their disclaimer they have an immediate fallback where they can say "we told you not to do that!"
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