In Reply to: Re: audio isn't all about science... posted by andy19191 on March 20, 2007 at 23:31:28:
Bottom line, this is a hobby. Yes, scientific methods would be welcome, but in reality, these are time consuming and labor intensive.If you believe, as I do, that amplifier differences only really show up under extended weeks of listening, then you cannot depend on a simple A/B test. It would be entirely possible to set up a long term amplifier comparison blind test, but again it's a big effort.
Now I replaced one tube amp with another and the results were immediately audible. The 2nd amp has twice as much rated power. Is this the whole difference? Could be. But the point is, with big things like amps, you rarely get identical specs in any case. I also have an old Hafler with the same rated power as my current tube amp, but it sounds rather poor into the same load.
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - This guy might be a genius... - Wellfed 10:06:35 03/19/07 (168)
- Re: This guy might be a genius... - apesma 07:32:22 03/25/07 (3)
- Weird... - Wellfed 08:41:37 03/25/07 (2)
- Re: Weird... - apesma 08:48:19 03/25/07 (1)
- I'd love to have you... - Wellfed 09:06:35 03/25/07 (0)
- Feynman a genius? - Surely You Must be Joking ! - Bambi B 09:17:42 03/20/07 (4)
- The Glenn Gould analogy borders on brilliance. On the other hand... - clarkjohnsen 11:23:05 03/20/07 (3)
- Re: The Glenn Gould analogy borders on brilliance. On the other hand... - Bambi B 05:46:43 03/21/07 (2)
- "Everything great in the world… - David Aiken 22:37:49 03/23/07 (0)
- I'd be happy to review it... ;-) nt - clarkjohnsen 11:30:07 03/21/07 (0)
- He was indeed a genius - tunenut 12:50:18 03/19/07 (22)
- Thanks tunenut... - Wellfed 15:56:26 03/19/07 (21)
- You're welcome - tunenut 16:55:14 03/19/07 (20)
- "Science is all about openness and honesty." Hmm... Where does that leave audio? nt - clarkjohnsen 11:24:39 03/20/07 (14)
- audio isn't all about science... - tunenut 17:52:46 03/20/07 (13)
- "Real data." Hmm... was it "real data" that led to the invention of the phonograph? Or of the record? Or... - clarkjohnsen 11:28:05 03/21/07 (9)
- Edison experimented with thousands of types of filaments - tunenut 13:09:24 03/21/07 (8)
- The only "data" he gathered was whether a thing worked. His ideas came from his head... - clarkjohnsen 08:18:00 03/22/07 (7)
- pointless argumentation about semantics (NT) - tunenut 09:27:41 03/22/07 (6)
- Perhaps to someone who elevates "real data" above actual discovery. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:39:26 03/22/07 (5)
- Whatever the hell that means? - morricab 04:24:35 03/28/07 (4)
- "What you wrote is just gibberish." Only to someone who gibbers. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:39:53 03/28/07 (3)
- Clark, you have to have one of the lowest useful content per # of posts on this forum - morricab 18:03:54 03/28/07 (2)
- "What you wrote is just gibberish." What you write is generally bilious and uncivil. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:14:48 03/29/07 (1)
- Gibber, flibber, gibber, flibber. Again zero content from you. - morricab 17:12:20 03/29/07 (0)
- Re: audio isn't all about science... - andy19191 23:31:28 03/20/07 (2)
- I don't completely agree with you - tunenut 09:34:09 03/21/07 (1)
- Re: I don't completely agree with you - andy19191 10:11:37 03/21/07 (1)
- I'll have to stick to the non-technical... - Wellfed 17:00:18 03/19/07 (4)
- his sort-of autobiography - tunenut 17:04:46 03/19/07 (3)
- Math was never a strong suit... - Wellfed 18:02:16 03/19/07 (2)
- try QED - tunenut 18:12:03 03/19/07 (1)
- Yep, I agree and recommend it highly. [nt] - Ted Smith 19:28:46 03/19/07 (0)
- Re: This guy might be a genius... - andy19191 12:32:21 03/19/07 (119)
- Re: This guy might be a genius... - geoffkait 04:27:24 03/20/07 (0)
- Re: This guy might be a genius... - john curl 00:39:42 03/20/07 (50)
- Re: This guy might be a genius... - May Belt 06:34:22 03/20/07 (49)
- Still waiting... - Jim Austin 08:48:57 03/20/07 (48)
- Re: Still waiting... - May Belt 10:25:10 03/20/07 (47)
- Or: "X-RAYS ARE A HOAX!" -- Lord Austin-Kelvin - clarkjohnsen 11:15:54 03/20/07 (3)
- Or: "CD GRINDERS ARE NOT A HOAX!" -- Master Clark Johnsiwan - AJinFLA 03:48:09 03/21/07 (1)
- Well, at least they grind the CDs! - Pat D 14:47:08 03/21/07 (0)
- Yeah, but they could establish there were X-rays. What does May establish? - Pat D 19:53:49 03/20/07 (0)
- Re: Still waiting... - Jim Austin 10:55:30 03/20/07 (42)
- Addressing One Point - thetubeguy1954 13:28:34 03/20/07 (35)
- Re: Addressing One Point - Jim Austin 13:48:53 03/20/07 (34)
- Addressing One Point, Once Again... - thetubeguy1954 09:38:15 03/21/07 (33)
- Re: Addressing One Point, Once Again... - Jim Austin 10:18:23 03/21/07 (32)
- Re: Addressing One Point, Once Again... - thetubeguy1954 14:05:49 03/21/07 (29)
- Tom, I had the same experience with a Shakti stone... - robert young 17:45:10 03/21/07 (27)
- Re: Tom, I had the same experience with a Shakti stone... - thetubeguy1954 09:53:55 03/22/07 (6)
- Re: Tom, I had the same experience with a Shakti stone... - Posy Rorer 09:50:46 03/26/07 (5)
- Re: Tom, I had the same experience with a Shakti stone... - thetubeguy1954 08:54:44 03/27/07 (4)
- Re: Tom, I had the same experience with a Shakti stone... - Posy Rorer 19:09:52 03/27/07 (3)
- Results Of Over-Dampening? - thetubeguy1954 07:15:23 03/29/07 (2)
- Re: Results Of Over-Dampening? - Posy Rorer 02:11:59 03/30/07 (1)
- "I can hear the sound change from moving a dime on a loudspeaker by a mm or so" = I do not believe you - Richard BassNut Greene 17:20:18 04/08/07 (0)
- Maybe you and Tom could start a support group for those whose minds are affected by Magic Stones and Bricks - AJinFLA 19:09:01 03/21/07 (19)
- I don't think so, AJ. - robert young 04:56:12 03/22/07 (18)
- Re: I don't think so, AJ. - AJinFLA 16:48:27 03/25/07 (14)
- Comprehension skills a little weak, AJ? - robert young 04:59:07 03/26/07 (13)
- Comprehension of nonsense skills a little weak? Yep. Can't match ya there Rob - AJinFLA 18:44:54 03/26/07 (4)
- Sadly, that's the reply I expected. - robert young 07:25:49 03/27/07 (3)
- Re: Sadly, that's the reply I expected. - thetubeguy1954 09:43:21 03/27/07 (2)
- If I can find it... - robert young 10:58:02 03/27/07 (1)
- Heres My Info - thetubeguy1954 13:24:33 03/27/07 (0)
- Re: Now, be nice to AJinFLA... - geoffkait 07:40:00 03/26/07 (7)
- Too funny, Geoff. - robert young 07:53:50 03/26/07 (6)
- Re: Too funny, Geoff. - geoffkait 10:55:56 03/26/07 (5)
- I preferred the post you deleted. - robert young 12:34:15 03/26/07 (4)
- Re: I preferred the post you deleted. - geoffkait 13:19:20 03/26/07 (3)
- Your posturing is absurd. - robert young 13:43:57 03/26/07 (2)
- Re: Your posturing is absurd. - geoffkait 14:05:11 03/26/07 (1)
- Yawn. (nt) - robert young 14:06:21 03/26/07 (0)
- POLLYinFLA Is A Coward Who Hides Behind His PC - thetubeguy1954 10:43:48 03/22/07 (2)
- It's just not that important.... - robert young 15:39:53 03/22/07 (1)
- I Agree - thetubeguy1954 12:50:48 03/23/07 (0)
- Re: Addressing One Point, Once Again... - john curl 15:56:58 03/21/07 (0)
- Re: Addressing One Point, Once Again... - john curl 11:08:49 03/21/07 (1)
- "Historically, no" - Jim Austin 11:31:17 03/21/07 (0)
- Re: Still waiting... - May Belt 13:21:11 03/20/07 (4)
- Anomalies and mechanisms - Jim Austin 14:59:05 03/20/07 (2)
- Re: Anomalies and mechanisms - May Belt 12:42:52 03/21/07 (1)
- Re: Anomalies and mechanisms - Jim Austin 13:26:14 03/21/07 (0)
- Re: Still waiting... - Jim Austin 14:31:02 03/20/07 (0)
- PS - Jim Austin 10:56:33 03/20/07 (0)
- Re: This guy might be a genius... - May Belt 02:03:10 03/20/07 (0)
- The thing is... - Wellfed 15:10:51 03/19/07 (66)
- Wellfed The Truth Is Plain To See - thetubeguy1954 09:35:34 03/20/07 (34)
- When you claim to hear a difference between wires... - Jim Austin 17:57:37 03/20/07 (31)
- Re: When you claim to hear a difference between wires... - thetubeguy1954 13:12:12 03/21/07 (30)
- My POV - Jim Austin 13:54:18 03/21/07 (29)
- Re: My POV - john curl 16:01:28 03/21/07 (28)
- Re: My POV - May Belt 02:59:06 03/22/07 (16)
- This is obfuscation - Jim Austin 04:03:46 03/22/07 (15)
- Re: This is obfuscation - thetubeguy1954 12:22:24 03/22/07 (14)
- What do you listen for? - Jim Austin 13:00:29 03/22/07 (13)
- Re: What do you listen for? - thetubeguy1954 14:02:48 03/23/07 (12)
- Re: What do you listen for? - Jim Austin 14:20:00 03/23/07 (11)
- Re: What do you listen for? - thetubeguy1954 09:12:47 03/27/07 (0)
- I must be a scientist of sorts... - Wellfed 07:37:34 03/24/07 (9)
- Re: I must be a scientist of sorts... - morricab 04:26:15 03/28/07 (8)
- I don't wish to be a "scientist"... - Wellfed 07:33:05 03/28/07 (7)
- Re: I don't wish to be a "scientist"... - morricab 18:05:35 03/28/07 (6)
- No, I meant merely this kind of scientist... - Wellfed 18:18:37 03/28/07 (5)
- Re: No, I meant merely this kind of scientist... - morricab 04:30:46 03/29/07 (4)
- Okay, okay, I don't want to burn up any more review time from my esteemed peers... - Wellfed 09:11:24 03/29/07 (3)
- Re: Okay, okay, I don't want to burn up any more review time from my esteemed peers... - john curl 16:37:14 03/29/07 (0)
- How do you derive your heading from the content? - clifff 13:36:58 03/29/07 (1)
- Re: How do you derive your heading from the content? - Wellfed 18:11:38 03/29/07 (0)
- Re: My POV - Jim Austin 17:21:40 03/21/07 (10)
- Re: My POV - john curl 19:39:05 03/21/07 (9)
- Re: My POV - Jim Austin 03:59:40 03/22/07 (8)
- Re: My POV - john curl 10:03:56 03/22/07 (7)
- Let's be really clear about something John - Jim Austin 14:37:56 03/22/07 (6)
- Re: Let's be really clear about something John - May Belt 03:22:37 03/23/07 (4)
- Re: Let's be really clear about something May - Jim Austin 05:24:16 03/23/07 (3)
- Re: Let's be really clear about something May - Posy Rorer 13:08:56 03/23/07 (0)
- Re: Let's be really clear about something May - May Belt 12:41:50 03/23/07 (1)
- Re: Let's be really clear about something May - Jim Austin 12:51:56 03/23/07 (0)
- Re: Let's be really clear about something John - john curl 16:06:24 03/22/07 (0)
- Re: Wellfed The Truth Is Plain To See - john curl 11:12:43 03/20/07 (1)
- Me too! (Piling on...) nt - clarkjohnsen 11:17:07 03/20/07 (0)
- Re: The thing is... - andy19191 00:08:04 03/20/07 (30)
- The truth of the matter... - Wellfed 05:07:48 03/20/07 (29)
- Re: The truth of the matter... - andy19191 09:42:44 03/20/07 (24)
- Would you care to join clifff and myself in examining the facts?... - Wellfed 10:01:10 03/20/07 (23)
- Hey! I have not agreed to anything - clifff 11:23:21 03/20/07 (6)
- Desperate?... - Wellfed 12:05:28 03/20/07 (5)
- My benefit??? - clifff 12:19:55 03/20/07 (4)
- You're sceptical I see... - Wellfed 12:32:19 03/20/07 (3)
- It was aslready over by then - but you can't see it, and never will! - clifff 12:40:49 03/20/07 (2)
- Stating your opinion in a civil manner is not impolite... - Wellfed 07:46:57 03/21/07 (1)
- Thank you. Of course. and the same to you. nt - clifff 10:14:32 03/21/07 (0)
- Yeah, the "paranormal" thing is another hitch in their procedure. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:06:32 03/20/07 (0)
- Re: Would you care to join clifff and myself in examining the facts?... - andy19191 10:24:08 03/20/07 (14)
- I seldom pause to consider how the chip functions... - Wellfed 11:26:49 03/20/07 (13)
- Re: I seldom pause to consider how the chip functions... - andy19191 13:02:21 03/20/07 (12)
- My apologies for my tardy reply... - Wellfed 23:02:23 03/20/07 (11)
- Re: My apologies for my tardy reply... - andy19191 01:26:51 03/21/07 (10)
- Facts be damned then?... - Wellfed 07:07:54 03/21/07 (9)
- Re: Facts be damned then?... - andy19191 07:46:20 03/21/07 (8)
- Just kidding about the 'science'... - Wellfed 08:06:37 03/21/07 (7)
- Re: Just kidding about the 'science'... - andy19191 09:19:25 03/21/07 (6)
- Well Andy, here goes... - Wellfed 12:46:40 03/23/07 (5)
- Re: Well Andy, here goes... - andy19191 05:00:16 03/24/07 (4)
- Earth to Andy... - Wellfed 06:11:15 03/24/07 (3)
- The JREF?? You mean the JOKE-REF! - Posy Rorer 11:38:02 04/01/07 (2)
- Re: The JREF?? You mean the JOKE-REF! - andy19191 12:18:28 04/02/07 (1)
- You think showing up again on this thread lends you any credibility?... - Wellfed 23:51:24 04/02/07 (0)
- You seem to be on a religious kick... - clifff 06:48:46 03/20/07 (3)
- May I assume you are now willing to look at the facts then?... - Wellfed 09:01:24 03/20/07 (2)
- Yes, of course, but "the facts" are much more than just your opinion. nt - clifff 09:28:24 03/20/07 (1)
- Of course facts are much more than my opinion... - Wellfed 09:42:16 03/20/07 (0)
- Also: "The professions are all a conspiracy against the laity." - clarkjohnsen 11:44:42 03/19/07 (0)
- "Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts.†Make that "self-styled experts" and you have it. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:43:06 03/19/07 (4)
- You mean like self-appointed "Golder Ears"? nt - The Real Dick Hertz 15:52:11 03/19/07 (3)
- Re: You mean like self-appointed "Golder Ears"? nt - john curl 17:07:46 03/19/07 (2)
- You're right. I meant Golden Ears. Thanks for the correction. - The Real Dick Hertz 17:11:36 03/19/07 (1)
- I kind of liked "Golder Ears"... - Wellfed 17:58:58 03/19/07 (0)
- Are you sure you want to do this? - clifff 11:19:12 03/19/07 (9)
- Sure, why not?... - Wellfed 11:27:23 03/19/07 (8)
- The key word... - Jim Austin 14:32:19 03/19/07 (7)
- I have no desire to do some science... - Wellfed 15:15:47 03/19/07 (6)
- Re: I have no desire to do some science... - Jim Austin 08:33:37 03/20/07 (3)
- I'll leave it to others to interpret Feynman... - Wellfed 09:20:35 03/20/07 (2)
- Re: I'll leave it to others to interpret Feynman... - Jim Austin 10:07:06 03/20/07 (1)
- Taking the Feynman quote at face value... - Wellfed 10:16:26 03/20/07 (0)
- Responsible scientists don't. That was always the issue I had with JJ. nt - Norm 17:25:41 03/19/07 (1)
- Yeah, he was kinda hypocritical there. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:01:17 03/20/07 (0)
Follow Ups
- I don't completely agree with you - tunenut 09:34:09 03/21/07 (1)
- Re: I don't completely agree with you - andy19191 10:11:37 03/21/07 (1)