Subject: CDs polarity versus their vinyl record counterpartsDear Music loving audiophiles,
This will be short and to the point because I need to catch up on my sleep big time. I just returned from Stereo Unlimited a San Diego High-End stereo store. My friend of at least 25 years, Phil Botten, who is a big time audiophile and has worked at the store for several years and I conducted a series of listening tests with the Jazz at the Pawnshop on Proprius vinyl record and the Opus 3 Gitarr-Kvartetten Transcriptions vinyl record. Without a doubt the records were playing in the correct absolute polarity! Now I think you should pause here for just a bit and re-read that before reading ahead. To repeat it for one more time for added emphasis as if it was needed, the CDs of those records are in opposite relative polarity to their vinyl record counterparts because they were made out of absolute polarity and the vinyl records were made in correct absolute polarity!!!
We reversed the system's polarity at the back of the speakers because there were banana plugs that facilitated an easy and rapid system polarity reversal.
The equipment consisted of two-way speakers with a first order crossover, an integrated NAD amplifier, a Marantz SACD player, and a turntable with moving magnet phono cartridge, which Phil assured me was not being played back inverted, i.e. that the records were not being played back in inverted relative polarity to how they were made. Because that's the only caveat, that if the records were being played back in the opposite relative polarity to how they were made, then our test's conclusion would be the exact opposite, i.e. that those particular records were made out of absolute polarity and were in the same relative polarity as their CD counterparts.
We tested several CDs including Diana krall - Live in Paris that I posted online as being in absolute polarity, and another CDs whose polarity I'd already determined which tested the same. Our results agreed 100% with my previous findings! Phil didn't know in which polarity I'd connected the speakers until after he'd made his polarity call. Phil and I always agreed as to which polarity the source material was made in and being played in. I didn't tell him what my previous finds were so he was truly blind tested. And, incidentally, I hadn't heard the system previously. The SACD of Miles Davis - Kind of Blue was out of absolute polarity as is the CD only version that I own and whose polarity I'd posted online as out of absolute polarity. Phil also played a CD of music that I'd hadn't heard because he was a bit suspicious that it might have been made out of absolute polarity. We played it for about 20 seconds when he commented that he wasn't sure about its polarity but I said that I was willing to bet that it's out of absolute polarity. Within less than 10 seconds of reversing the system's polarity we both agreed that indeed the CD was made out of absolute polarity. All of our polarity calls were patently obvious and to be a bit redundant as easy as pie to make and there couldn't be the slightest doubt of the validity of our polarity calls!!!!!!! And the differences we heard were exactly the same differences I hear when I'm making my CD polarity calls. When you play record out of absolute polarity it sounds like the CD that's been made out of absolute polarity. Well that's exactly what I predicted when I said before making these tests that I was 99% sure that records would be in absolute polarity from my memory of how they sound.
One lesson to take away from all this is that when you're comparing a CD to its vinyl record counterpart you'd better be sure that they are both played back in absolute polarity or your not playing them on a level playing field. And another important thing you'll may need sometime to fully understand the full implications of these test findings, is that the higher the resolution of your system the easier it is to make absolute polarity calls because the higher resolution system make absolute polarity correct media sound better and thus makes the sonic and musical differences between in correct absolute media and out of polarity media greater. And since a system doesn't know whether the media is in or out of absolute polarity that its playing back, it plays back the out of absolute polarity material better as well but that makes the out of absolute polarity media's sound even worse! Thus if you're evaluating components or tweaks with out of absolute polarity media the worse the component or tweak that you're testing sounds the better they sound, the better they actually are because they're just revealing even more of the sonic and musical defects of the out of absolute polarity media. This has some very important implications for any components or tweaks that were inadvertently evaluated with out of absolute polarity media! I feel that many equipment and tweak reviews may need to be repeated with media that being played back only in absolute polarity. Now aren't I the master of understatement?
Once again it turns out that indeed if the phono playback was inverting the vinyl record's playback then the exact opposite conclusion is true.
I'm sorry for so many multiple exclamation points but you tell me if you think I've exaggerated the significance of these findings.
Best regard,
George, Perfect Polarity Pundit and Chief Polarity Buster of the Polarity Police. And if you want to join up I'm accepting applications for membership in the Polarity Police with the rank of First Tier Polarity Buster. I really am.
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Topic - The relative polarity of CDs to their vinyl record counterparts - georgelouis 22:47:12 05/18/06 (49)
- You have to remember the phase (in)coherence of vinyl - real_jj 16:03:05 05/24/06 (12)
- Re: You have to remember the phase (in)coherence of vinyl - Todd Krieger 18:24:55 05/27/06 (3)
- Re: Nice try... - $orabji! 15:49:35 05/31/06 (0)
- Um, have you ever measured it, Todd? - real_jj 14:24:51 05/31/06 (1)
- I've SEEN Measurements Substantiating It.... - Todd Krieger 16:20:19 06/06/06 (0)
- "It's hard to say what "phase" vinyl is in." Hard for you, perhaps... - clarkjohnsen 08:06:52 05/25/06 (7)
- No, Clark, you're off the wall again... - real_jj 08:46:50 05/25/06 (6)
- "It is easier to keep CD's in...absolute... phase." Then why don't they? - clarkjohnsen 08:55:49 05/25/06 (5)
- Why don't they? - real_jj 12:04:49 05/25/06 (0)
- Re: "It is easier to keep CD's in...absolute... phase." Then why don't they? - Bob Lee (QSC) 09:10:50 05/25/06 (3)
- "How is the distribution of polarity determined?" Thanks for the easy lob! - clarkjohnsen 10:29:44 05/25/06 (2)
- Re: "How is the distribution of polarity determined?" Thanks for the easy lob! - Bob Lee (QSC) 11:12:14 05/25/06 (1)
- "The audibility of that difference is equally distributed." ?????? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:37:56 05/26/06 (0)
- Re: The relative polarity of CDs to their vinyl record counterparts - STUART 06:29:54 05/23/06 (0)
- Re: The relative polarity of CDs to their vinyl record counterparts - Bob Lee (QSC) 09:39:28 05/19/06 (33)
- Polarity explained correctly, hope it helps - clarkjohnsen 10:23:04 05/19/06 (32)
- Re: Polarity explained correctly, hope it helps - Bill Fitzmaurice 10:08:01 05/23/06 (31)
- "Tests show that reversed polarity is more audible than 11.5% intermodulation distortion." - clarkjohnsen 10:28:20 05/23/06 (30)
- Re: "Tests show that reversed polarity is more audible than 11.5% intermodulation distortion." - Bill Fitzmaurice 12:59:18 05/23/06 (29)
- Huh! And that, in a moderated, peer-reviewed journal of (otherwise?) high integrity. But you must be right... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:16:48 05/24/06 (28)
- Re: Huh! And that, in a moderated, peer-reviewed journal of (otherwise?) high integrity. But you must be right... nt - Bob Lee (QSC) 09:08:31 05/25/06 (13)
- Re: Huh! And that, in a moderated, peer-reviewed journal of (otherwise?) high integrity. But you must be right... nt - unclestu52 10:33:09 05/25/06 (6)
- Are the horn players...sucking, or blowing :) - STUART 07:55:59 06/02/06 (0)
- "But one has to train their ears." Although not for long! - clarkjohnsen 09:49:22 05/26/06 (0)
- Re: Huh! And that, in a moderated, peer-reviewed journal of (otherwise?) high integrity. But you must be right... nt - Bill Fitzmaurice 05:51:04 05/26/06 (2)
- Sometimes the practice is worth it.... - unclestu52 11:17:31 05/26/06 (0)
- "Any sensory pleasure that you have to learn how to enjoy is too much trouble." Huh! - clarkjohnsen 09:47:30 05/26/06 (0)
- Re: Huh! And that, in a moderated, peer-reviewed journal of (otherwise?) high integrity. But you must be right... nt - Bob Lee (QSC) 11:08:17 05/25/06 (0)
- You ask, I tell! - clarkjohnsen 10:22:20 05/25/06 (5)
- Re: You ask, I tell! - Bob Lee (QSC) 15:36:18 05/25/06 (3)
- The overall contexts are presented in The Wood Effect, and they all have to do with music. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:39:45 05/26/06 (2)
- The reason I ask - Bob Lee (QSC) 09:17:52 05/30/06 (0)
- Re: The overall contexts are presented in The Wood Effect, and they all have to do with music. nt - Bob Lee (QSC) 11:47:13 05/26/06 (0)
- Re: You ask, I tell! - Bob Lee (QSC) 11:10:16 05/25/06 (0)
- Re: Huh! And that, in a moderated, peer-reviewed journal of (otherwise?) high integrity. But you must be right... nt - Bill Fitzmaurice 09:10:58 05/24/06 (13)
- And here all the time I take crap for recommending stuff that *doesn't* appear in such a journal... - clarkjohnsen 09:46:41 05/24/06 (12)
- Re: And here all the time I take crap for recommending stuff that *doesn't* appear in such a journal... - Bob Lee (QSC) 08:55:34 05/25/06 (1)
- Question already answered, I believe... nt - clarkjohnsen 09:41:09 05/26/06 (0)
- Re: And here all the time I take crap for recommending stuff that *doesn't* appear in such a journal... - Bill Fitzmaurice 12:07:33 05/24/06 (9)
- "Cue: This is where you tell me that I don't know how to hear." No. - clarkjohnsen 12:24:51 05/24/06 (8)
- Re: "Cue: This is where you tell me that I don't know how to hear." No. - Bill Fitzmaurice 14:25:06 05/24/06 (7)
- Haven't a clue what you're trying to say. And if that phrase gives you trouble, try "crossover catastrophe". - clarkjohnsen 08:04:13 05/25/06 (6)
- Re: Haven't a clue what you're trying to say. And if that phrase gives you trouble, try "crossover catastrophe". - Bill Fitzmaurice 09:55:54 05/25/06 (5)
- Your rudeness betrays you as a man very unsure of himself - clarkjohnsen 10:25:25 05/25/06 (4)
- Re: Your rudeness betrays you as a man very unsure of himself - Bill Fitzmaurice 06:02:41 05/26/06 (3)
- It was so obviously a frikkin' typo, that your rude defensiveness and your weaseliness become even more manifest. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:36:38 05/26/06 (2)
- Thith is geeiten nathsty man.... - STUART 08:23:38 06/02/06 (1)
- The arrogant 'hole was criticising a *typo* fer g-dssake! - clarkjohnsen 08:32:16 06/02/06 (0)