In Reply to: Maybe you could do with a crash course on how to use search as well? posted by Christine Tham on December 19, 2005 at 23:11:37:
I am truly sorry that you have such trouble with reading comprehension. I am even more sorry that you persist in arguing points that are factually incorrect.1) Thanks for the link to the "technical paper on HDCD". Even though Micro$oft deleted it from their website, it still exists in cyberspace courtesy of "The Wayback Machine" at www.archive.org. In the paper "HDCD Decoder FAQ" you will find the following information:
"The HDCD decoder uses an interpolation filter complementary to the anti-alias filters used in the A/D filter switching process."
I know that reading comprehension is not your strong suit (again, I'm sorry about that), but please note that they use the *plural* form when talking about the encoding filters and the *singular* form when describing the decoding filter.
Now it's not quite clear to me how a *single* decoding filter could somehow be "complementary" to *multiple* encoding filters, but that is the kind of marketing fluff that I have encountered from Pacific Microsonics. (NB -- From a technical standpoint I have no beef with HDCD, nor its implementation. I just don't like the approach whereby they intentionally mislead with their marketing. Which by the way, seems to have fooled you quite well.)
2) Thanks for your link to your previous posting. (I missed it by two weeks in my previous search as you had specified "a few months ago". I erroneously thought that a 7-month window would have encompassed "a few months", but I actually should have used an 8-month window.)
Please note however, that your claim that "the max peak level [of the decoded HDCD signal] is under -6dBFS which means the bit is never used" is incorrect. In the first place, there is not some separate 'extra bit' used for "peak extend". In the second place, the max peak level does not tell you one way or the other whether "peak extend" was used during the encoding process. All it tells you is that the signal level never exceeded -6 dBFS during the A/D conversion process, regardless of whether "peak extend" was used or not.
(If you are unclear about this last point, please read the AES preprint from Johnson and Pflaumer also available from The Wayback Machine. Refer especially to Figure 6.)
3) If you think Ayre should design a DVD player using DSP chips designed for surround-sound processors (that will only be available five years after the player has been designed), then I think you may have a more than just an issue with reading comprehension. I really don't know what to tell you, except that maybe you should start your own audio company and build the products the way you think they should be built. Best of luck.
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Follow Ups
- You want an apology? - Charles Hansen 22:17:21 12/20/05 (38)
- Perhaps it is you who has reading comprehension issues? - Christine Tham 00:59:31 12/22/05 (18)
- This is just silly - Charles Hansen 09:08:41 12/22/05 (17)
- Who is being silly? - Christine Tham 11:49:06 12/22/05 (16)
- That would be you - Charles Hansen 20:27:20 12/22/05 (15)
- Re: That would be you - Christine Tham 15:23:38 12/23/05 (14)
- Re: That would be you - Charles Hansen 20:14:53 12/23/05 (13)
- Re: That would be you - Christine Tham 00:01:07 12/24/05 (12)
- Figure 3: Digital rip of an HDCD without Peak Extend - Christine Tham 00:09:39 12/24/05 (9)
- Figure 4: Output of WMP (no Peak Extend) - Christine Tham 00:11:08 12/24/05 (8)
- By the way, here are some stats on the non decoded vs decoded outputs - Christine Tham 00:28:38 12/24/05 (7)
- Thanks for posting these graphs - Charles Hansen 10:51:35 12/24/05 (6)
- Re: Thanks for posting these graphs - Christine Tham 12:12:00 12/24/05 (5)
- This is just silly - Charles Hansen 14:46:22 12/24/05 (4)
- HDCD is defined by the patent, not the implementation - Christine Tham 22:38:00 12/24/05 (3)
- Oh, that's right... - Charles Hansen 13:06:23 12/25/05 (2)
- And your point is? - Christine Tham 15:31:48 01/03/06 (1)
- Yep, yep, and yep. - Charles Hansen 19:43:56 01/03/06 (0)
- Figure 1: Digital rip of an HDCD with Peak Extend - Christine Tham 00:04:18 12/24/05 (1)
- Figure 2: WMP decoded output of the track - Christine Tham 00:06:28 12/24/05 (0)
- Charles you do owe Christine an apology, because you are dead wrong. Christine has it 100% correct. - Teresa 06:51:43 12/21/05 (18)
- Hmmm... - Charles Hansen 09:34:25 12/21/05 (17)
- Charles I have found some links to help you understand HDCD better: - Teresa 19:38:30 12/21/05 (3)
- Re: Charles I have found some links to help you understand HDCD better: - Charles Hansen 20:07:24 12/21/05 (2)
- Thanks for the links Charles, it will take a while to read all of these. - Teresa 20:46:09 12/21/05 (1)
- You're welcome - Charles Hansen 22:00:32 12/21/05 (0)
- Still waiting for that apology ... - Christine Tham 16:52:05 12/21/05 (12)
- You are still confused - Charles Hansen 19:52:19 12/21/05 (11)
- Re: You are still confused - Christine Tham 00:01:40 12/22/05 (10)
- Taking a page from W - Charles Hansen 09:11:58 12/22/05 (9)
- Re: Taking a page from W - Christine Tham 11:54:11 12/22/05 (8)
- I guess we agree on one thing - Charles Hansen 20:03:13 12/22/05 (7)
- Re: I guess we agree on one thing - Christine Tham 15:25:13 12/23/05 (6)
- Re: I guess we agree on one thing - Charles Hansen 20:16:22 12/23/05 (5)
- Re: I guess we agree on one thing - Christine Tham 00:38:47 12/24/05 (4)
- Once again you are wrong - Charles Hansen 11:00:41 12/24/05 (3)
- I don't think you know the meaning of the word "wrong", since you are not applying it correctly - Christine Tham 12:25:41 12/24/05 (2)
- You have gone beyond obstinence... - Charles Hansen 18:49:44 12/24/05 (1)
- Sorry, but you haven't really given any evidence - Christine Tham 22:47:18 12/24/05 (0)