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In Reply to: RE: Over-reacting a bit? posted by Frank I on July 27, 2011 at 04:01:55
Like everytime someone comes up here with some sad story we have to buy into it hook line and sinker, offer comfort and condolences without even ever hearing the other side, or we be labelled trouble makers.
And beyond that I find it completely unreasonable that any eBay seller or buyer get taken to the woodshed if they changed their minds. Who cares why they changed their minds but big deal let people be.
IMO it's the damaged guy taking them to the woodshed who are causing me the most grief.
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He took the buyers money and refused to ship him the goods. Where I come from that is fraud. His reputation should be tarnished because he committed fraud. If the seller simply changed his mind he would have contacted the buyer and returned his money. According to the buyer the seller didn't refund his money, Ebay did.
Let me see if I got this straight. Maybe I'm missing something. The buyer buys something off Ebay, follows all of the rules, sends the seller the agreed upon amount, the seller won't ship the goods and when the buyer exposes him as a fraud some people think he's overreacting and should get over it. I just don't understand why someone would think that way.
....if this was simply a case of the seller wishing to get a little more than what he got, which was a pretty 'bad' deal from his perspective.
One time I won a Sony Super Metal Master for $15, and the seller suddenly informed me that he had made a mistake and found out he no longer had it on stock and offered to refund me. Now, this was a seller with whom I have been doing steady business for almost a year.
So I gave him a pass and didn't leave a negative feedback since he might be telling the truth, or even if he were lying, he had a good reason to lie, and he never jerked me around like this loser I posted about.
Then they should post their listings as a buy now or make an offer. Even easier is to set the minimum reserve price on auctions. The rules are clearly posted and he chose to list with no reserve so he should abide by the rules. The problem today is too many people do not follow rules anymore. what is so hard to follow. If it were me I would leave negative feedback.
What you propose to do seems reasonable given the side of the story as told by the OP. But we don't know what the seller is saying so how can we propose or condone any solution.
And further if a seller or buyer want out of any deal I simply just let them out. Big deal? I have no interested whatsoever in forcing someone into compliance or damaging their reputations if they communicate with me that they have changed their minds.
.....throughly.
"What you propose to do seems reasonable given the side of the story as told by the OP. But we don't know what the seller is saying so how can we propose or condone any solution."
All you have to do is go to ebay, and find the seller's name that I provided and check what the seller had to say about it. I called him a fraud, and ebay refunded and no response from the seller.
"And further if a seller or buyer want out of any deal I simply just let them out. Big deal?"
....and that's how businesses are supposed to be run, right?
"I have no interested whatsoever in forcing someone into compliance or damaging their reputations if they communicate with me that they have changed their minds."
First of all, he never communicated with me for over a month, with 3 emails from me. So you haven't even read my op.
Second of all, if someone deliberatley renegeded on deal like this one, they deserved to be have their refutation damaged.
He's not here to tell us his side and you got paid.
Now you come here to further damage him? Well good for you!
And even worse you propose AA keeps a list of people we've had bad experiences with - yea right how nice for us to get to ding people we've had problems with without allowing them to tell their story.
.........finding out you 'jumped' the gun with 'blanks'.
You want to talk about people behind their back - I find it offensive.
You propose we form a blacklist - I find it offensive.
That's it that's all - we should just agree to disagree. OK?
........'shot' from the hip with 'blanks'.
There is no other side to the story. he paid. Seller renegaded and ebay refunded not the seller. You seem to defend someone who breached a contract which would not speak well for your integrity either if that's the case.
Integrity, ethics? What strawmen. Give me a break the seller made a mistake or changed his mind. Big deal talk about not knowing when to fight your battles.
Your wrong plain and simple/ He should post negative feedback also. When someone takes your money and does not return it until ebay gets involved thats not spite on the OP part.. If you thinks thats ok your integrity is at question. So if you feel so strong about that seller you should buy from him. Jeez talk about fighting battles. If I was in one I would certainly no feel comfortable if you were by my side
Yea sure if the OP wants to leave a negative I got no problem with that.
I don't expect everyone to handle transactions the same way as me.
What I don't like is inmates coming up here with one side of a story and publicly slamming a 3rd party.
He got his money and left negative feedback and that should have been an end to it.
And yea I might still buy from this seller inspite of Reds comments and the negative - I just don't know enough to pass judgement.
I can tell you for sure I wouldn't buy or sell from Red - if something went wrong or things didn't go as he planned who knows where on the internet I might find him bad talking me.
....I am telling the truth? - Galatian 4:16
Edits: 07/28/11
I don't know all the details of this situation - but it doesn't even matter.
Fact - you got your money back.
Fact - now you are here tarnishing the sellers reputation.
Just doesn't seem right you making a case like this here on AA.
........you decided to spend bunch of your time on this case.
As for my reason for op, I want to give heads off to other members.
If I was contemplating a transaction with that man I would consider it then. Heck with all your ranting and raving over this botched $37 transaction this guy might as well just start up a new store front - we won't benefit from this rag nor from your negative feedback.
.......since your criticism of my op has self-disintegrated.
You have not even read it fully.
Heck with all your ranting and raving over this botched $37 transaction this guy might as well just start up a new store front - we won't benefit from this rag nor from your negative feedback.
You want to talk about people behind their back - I find it offensive.
You propose we form a blacklist - I find it offensive.
That's it that's all - we should just agree to disagree. OK?
........that you did not even read my op in full context before making your comments about my motive.
You want to talk about people behind their back - I find it offensive.
You propose we form a blacklist - I find it offensive.
That's it that's all - we should just agree to disagree. OK?
you sure your not the seller. LOL this guy had total 6 transactions on ebay and renegaded on two of them both in July. Everything he gets is deserved. . Maybe you are the seller.
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