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In Reply to: RE: International Woes--Who to Avoid on AG posted by lrcordell on July 02, 2008 at 22:23:31
Did you think if the package never arrived he would settle for the $50 insurance instead of his full payment being refunded? And let you keep his full payment??
Why would anyone ever do that?
Are you crazy?
Your story makes no sense, I think you are hiding something.
Did you under insure (lie to the insurance plan for UPS) or lie to customs?
Follow Ups:
No B.S. here. You should have your detector re-calibrated.
It is a simple rule--the USPS, UPS, FedEx, any international shipper, is not allowed to insure a package for more than its declared value. So, by asking me to declare the package at $50, the buyer (as I explained to him prior) was asking me also to insure the package for no more than $50. He understood this, and I have his emails that document his understanding. I didn't get anything from under-declaring/under-insuring, because our agreement was that the buyer was paying all shipping costs. I had no incentive to under-declare/under-insure other than to please the buyer.
The choice of amount of insurance doesn't involve lying or telling the truth--it is the choice of the customer based on the value of the package, the risks involved in shipping the item, and the risk preferences of the customer.
The lie was to customs in Thailand (to which the package never arrived), because the buyer asked me to lie. This is a common request from international buyers. I put myself in a somewhat precarious position on the buyer's behalf, so that he could save some money on import duties, and I assumed he would be a stand up guy and recognize my kindness were something to go wrong. I was wrong in my assumption. Instead, he took the opportunity to accuse me of trying to steal $500 from him when the package was lost.
I made a mistake when I under-declared, but there was no malice involved. I was doing it at the request of the buyer. The other mistake I made was assuming the buyer was an upstanding guy who recognized the position he was asking me to put myself in and wouldn't take advantage of it if something went wrong. Instead he proved himself to be a common jackass.
Louis
P.S. I won't even go into how absurd the scenario would have to be in order for me to have accomplished such a theft, while providing the documentation from the USPS as to shipment, inquiry, and claims. Give me a break. I may be guilty of breaking a customs law somewhere, but not of trying to steal $500 from some prick in Thailand.
And doing it at the request of the buyer does not make you lack malice, it makes you working in tandem to deceive the US government; an accomplice. This has nothing to do with theft. Although I would bet your accomplice in the customs fraud has the stereo goods. And his "postman" has a tip. But that is not the point.
STFU, is my advice.
Did you support the Patriot Act?
"If you want to go for a ride in that old car, you better hope it don't break down."
you lied to BOTH the US and the Thai governments. Perjured export declarations given the US government violate the Patriot Act.
Tell me if and when you realize it is best to STFU immeidately. I say that with all due respect.
To everyone else here, I am sorry to stir the shit pot. I have asked the moderator to delete the entire thread.
Don't make fun of me for sucessfully catching you lying. Thank me for trying to help you avoid a felony conviction.
I freely admitted to the under-declaration in my initial message. Don't act like you've uncovered something. You suggested there was something I was hiding, and you were wrong. That's why I said your B.S. meter needs re-calibrating.
Further, there was no export tax applicable to this transaction. The only tax in play was an import duty in Thailand. Felony--my ass.
I do not support the Patriot Act, and I wish I had a choice other than McCain and Obama.
I know I made a mistake, but the point of my original message was that I did it to help out the buyer, and he turned on me. I got nothing out of the under-declaration but exposure. The buyer was the beneficiary, and he accused me of stealing from him when the package was lost. Perhaps I was naive to think that my favor would be considered if things didn't go as planned. I won't do it again.
By the way, there is no way to say STFU with all, or any, due respect. I'm clearly not concerned about ending up in Gitmo, else I wouldn't have posted in the first place.
Louis
You can post with an all knowing attitude, and I really hate to call names, but your mistake is that insurance was FOR YOU, It is what you get if the parcel is lost or damaged. The buyer gets a refund of everything he paid. More advice. I am not accusing you of theft, please. The dishonesty is the false evaluation of the value to allow the BUYER to escape customs tariffs. IF YOU DID THAT, drop this thread now, don't try to convince me you are right, and let's ask the moderators to delete it ASAP. For your benefit. Felony.
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