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In Reply to: RE: Singapore: draconian but effective posted by xsb7244 on October 17, 2024 at 13:49:30
Absolutely! Blame and (D) party and bring Canning to the U.S.A.
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Or Contadina? "Who put 8 rank offenders in that little bitty can?"
OK, I know you meant "caning." I'd support caning drunk drivers. It would give me a warm fuzzy feeling just knowing that drunk drivers were getting the shit knocked out of them.
But I don't think it would deter anyone. That's the idea, isn't it? Deterrence? If getting killed in a car crash or killing somebody else in a car crash because you were shitfaced but drove anyway isn't a deterrent, what makes you think getting smacked on the ass with a cane is?
We already have a death penalty (and we're willing to knowingly execute somebody who didn't commit the crime), we incarcerate a larger percentage of our population than any other country--thanks to a (D) president, by the way--and neither is much of a deterrent.
The average criminal is stupid--think "driving 100 MPH in a car with expired or fraudulent plates when you have 5 outstanding warrants and a car full of meth" stupid. They live in the moment and don't consider the consequences of their actions or what happened the last time they drove 100 MPH with a car full of meth. And bad plates.
Also, Americans in general think rules apply to other people, and that the only crime is getting caught. And even then, it's only a crime if you admit it is, even in the face of conviction.
I think you could cane people, have rats crawl over their faces, stick electrodes on their naughty bits, shove bamboo under their fingernails, and it won't change a durn thing.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
Edits: 10/17/24
Inmates with a compact profile and a shelf life of only 20 years or so might drastically reduce the long term costs of humiliation and incarceration.
...the one where Warren Stevens turns most of the Enterprise crew into small sponges for easy storage.
Except for Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Scotty. They weren't sponge-worthy.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
Edits: 10/18/24
that wasn't Stevens, I don't know what you mean
Survivors of an expedition from the Kelvan Empire take over Enterprise in order to get home to the Andromeda galaxy. Since it's such a long journey, they turn most of the crew into little sponges that won't need food, water, or be aware of the passage of time.
Not one of the better episodes. Kirk seduces Warren Stevens' main squeeze (of course), Scotty gets into a drinking contest with one of the other Kelvans.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
Edits: 10/18/24
I think one point they were making is that if the punishment involves pain and takes some time to recover, that it seems to actually be a deterrent for most regular people. Oh, and that anything that is an actual punishment, isn't something that one would brag about. For example the low baggy pants / underwear on display fashion came from prison wardens that made the "problem people" wear pants that were way to big (no belts allowed) so it was hard to run.
That's why non-lethal but low cost punishments could be used, securely strap someone to the outside of a small airplane for 10 min thrill ride and when they land and calm down, they will land with a new outlook knowing a second offense is an hour cruise.
What we have now is not aimed at rehabilitating and if one is there for more than a year, they often come out with more problems than when they went in.
The Eighth Amendment is supposed to guarantee protection from cruel and unusual punishment, and I don't think even Clarence Thomas would vote to uphold caning. Maybe Thomas would, but he'd be the only justice.
Secondly, why stop with petty crime? Vietnam recently sentenced one of its wealthiest citizens to death. For criminal fraud. White collar criminals do a hell of a lot more damage than some jerk who shoplifts at Walmart. I'm all for hanging white collar crooks and fraudsters.
Finally, and this is the most important part--it doesn't matter how embarrassing or painful the punishment is if the potential criminal lacks the ability to imagine what happens if he or she is caught.
To use drunk driving as an example again, according to Ohio State Police, about a third of all drunk driving arrests are repeat offenders. Prior arrests don't deter them, the potential for getting killed or horribly mangled doesn't deter them, the potential for killing somebody else doesn't deter them. Uber and Lyft are things, there's zero excuse for getting behind the wheel shitfaced.
People like that live strictly in the moment.
The blissful counterstroke-a considerable new message.
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