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In Reply to: RE: It amazes me posted by Jon L on July 06, 2007 at 08:41:41
If someone doesn't like something and you do:
1. Didn't give it enough break-in time is the usual.
2. Must not have heard it under optimal conditions.
3. Amplifier is suspect.
4. Or just insult them, like they are quick to judge, etc....
I spent some time with the Abby's. The more I listend to them the less I liked them. I thought his Ben whatever speakers were quite smooth and nice, though a subwoofer seemed like a requirement, but the Abby's were quite harsh. My wife's jugdement was less kind so he is not alone in his assessment. Which simply means someone should listen to the speakers before he buys them and people like different things.
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What amp did you use?
Were you listening near-field?
FWIW, I prefer the Abby's to the BEN's.
The Abby's are very revealing of flaws upstream. Even can be harsh with a bad CD player(or even a fairly decent one).
I'd only use Abby's with vinyl or a VERY good "0" up-sampling DAC.
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I think they were broken in, but I can't say for sure.
What amp did you use? - ASL 2a3 (Tulip?)
Were you listening near-field? - No, they were the regular abbys
FWIW, I prefer the Abby's to the BEN's - really? That's cool, my wife and I both thought the Ben's were smoother, though lacking in bass without a subwoofer. You could be right though.
The Abby's are very revealing of flaws upstream. Even can be harsh with a bad CD player(or even a fairly decent one) - I can't even remember what they had hooked up.
I'd only use Abby's with vinyl or a VERY good "0" up-sampling DAC - It was a CD player of some sort if memory serves, not vinyl for sure and I don't think it was an upsampling DAC (I don't particularly care for upsampling myself).
What amp did you use? - ASL 2a3 (Tulip?)
Now, I can see why you came away with the impression you did. In my opinion, the Abbys aren't a good candidate for most 2A3 SETs and are better suited to "fleshier" tubes. Pairing Abbys with 2A3's would seem to be "too much of a good thing", since they share very similar traits.
Oddly though, the Almarro A205A is a very accurate SEP and it is terrific match with the Abbys.
That's cool, my wife and I both thought the Ben's were smoother, though lacking in bass without a subwoofer.
Yes, that's my impression, too. The Abbys can sound far, far, better with a subwoofer involved. I own the much larger I-Bens(driver & cabinet) and I think their meatier midrange/midbass helps tremendously by sounding more fleshed out. Still, I think the Bens benefit greatly from a subwoofer - I use a pair of Cain Bailey subs. After, firing up the subs, i could never go back to the Bens without them.
Ivan303 - The Abby's are very revealing of flaws upstream. Even can be harsh with a bad CD player(or even a fairly decent one)
Yes they are. but, they are also walking that fine line close to a thin(but, not thin) sound which makes them almost hyper-revealing. So, any edgi-ness or hardness is going to tip the scales way over the line.
With the right amps, though, the can be glorious.
Although I have heard Abby's sound very good on Terry's ElectronLuv 2A3 mono-blocks, those were not your typical SET 2A3.
The Abby's I heard in my system were driven by DIY HIFI Supply "Billies" with WE 300B's and a ton of upgraded parts which are fairly rich tonally.
IMHO, 300B SET is about as low power wise as I would go with Abby's. Have also heard Abby's with Gordon Rankin's 300B amps and they were a very good match.
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