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I really, really don't like Fostex drivers (they're not for everyone). And am not so sure about horns, having heard some expensive ones ($30K) which I unfortuantely can't remember the name of that also didn't trip my trigger. But I have been enjoying 2 watts into 92 db speakers so I think I do like the SET experience. What should I be looking at in the $1,500 range? Are there non-fostex / non-horn options here? Bottlehead Straight 8 comes to mind, though it is discontinued, so there should be some speakers that fit the bill still out there. Any directions to look. I would like to pair them with a 2a3 amp, so 96db and up seems about right with a good impedance curve. Thanks!
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Does it need to be SET all the way, or is a plate amp sub OK?
If a plate amp is OK, it gives you more options.
For example, check the kits in the link. These cabinets look quite nice, and are pre-built.
Get *four* of the cabinets shown in the link.
==> Load two with the standard components.
==> Buy the other two as enclosures only (if possible). Instead of loading them with subwoofer components, load them with a pair of efficient 10" coaxials. Eg. BM-10CXA's, which cost $US 400 for a pair. Thay'll have virtualy no bass, but that's what the subs are for. Stack these coax boxes on top of the sub boxes.
I chose these components just as a quick example - there could be plenty of other items that would better suit your design goals.
Cheaper options include:
Using pre-built car subwoofer boxes (easy but ugly).
Restoring antique / thrift store speakers - clean them up, improve the bracing, fit them with new drivers (possibly more DIY-intensive than you want to go).
For $1.5k you could build one heck of a set of line arrays, give you over 100dB/W efficiency and doesn't give you the "Fostex sound".
And I will take a look. Thanks!
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=70200
Scroll down a bit :)
Didn't see it originally!
which fostex drivers have you heard that you didnt like and in what cabinet designs,
I talk about the ones I have heard. And I am off to hear some more today.
Larger ribbons and larger AMTs have high sensitivity. Meanwhile there is even a dome tweeter that fits the bill (see link). But in ready-made high-sensitivity speakers vintage concepts like horns or fullrange drivers are still dominating. I ask myself why this is so. I believe the speaker-taste of the average valve- or T-Amp lover isn`t so far away from that of an average transister person.
Which Fostex drivers have you heard Paully?
Thanks
Cain and Cain Abbey, a numer of other home brew, plus one other that I can't remember the name (seems like it was in the $1,200-$1,500 range). I have probably heard five or six total. In each cash it just sounded harsh to my ears. I am sorry I can't remember more models, its been a while. Pretty much just left with my impressions at this point.
Well I can understand that Paully. I find the Fostex without filters to be shouty. This will attribute to the idea of harshness. It also takes a balance of the front end components to get the best out of the basic Fostex drivers.
The F200a Fostex..though not as efficient are very easy on the ears in the proper design. This is a different sound from the normal fostex drivers that I've heard. I believe you live near me. You are more than welcome to listen to them. As with any speaker their not for everyone, but I do think they will give you a different impression of Fostex as a whole.
Good luck with your hunt
Are you in Atlanta? I make it up there from time to time and would welcome the opportunity to listen to another set of speakers before making my decision.
Actually Paully I live in the Columbus Georgia area.
That makes it really easy! It would be great to know a knowledgeable audiophile around here. If you want to get together, shoot me an email and we can have a listen. I have a number of things from Bottlehead and a Dynaco that you may be interested in listening to yourself.
Yes this would be nice! Maybe we can mix it up with some of the Promitheus gear(TVC and active gain stage) that I and a friend have here in town. I also have a MHDT labs USB Paradisea Dac that you can get a listen at.
Little brother (31) having some fun!
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up here in WI tell your bro thanks...
I will definitely let him know.I've made it to the last two Capitol one bowls in Orlando. Both times the Badgers came out on top against Arkansas and Auburn. I live 30 minutes from Auburn University...the fans here were'nt too happy with the beating they took that year from the Badgers! lol
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these are all med to med-high efficiency that you can use with SET. The Tonian Acoustics TL-D1 for $1,500 is outstanding but that one uses a fostex driver but I suspect cab design has a lot to do with sound.
but wasn't my cup of tea. I will look into the others. Thanks!
well.. perennial faves- audio notes.. sound great, but not for everybody either. there's spendors- which aren't the definition of high efficiency-- but within relatively confined parameters of volume, they've got decent impedance curves. you could always find some used klipsch cornwalls, you could go with some of the old jensens.. i've tried AR's with 14 watts and didn't suffer too badly-- not the most detailed buggers, but pleasant. proac's don't seem to be too destructive at low volume..
good lord though-- these're all over the map tonally. you'd probably need to be more specific about your tonal needs to give you a good answer..
the DIY route is really gratifying, but a long row to hoe, and if you don't have shop/skills.. it may be ugly in more ways than one!
in short.. need mo' information!
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I like classical and alternative rock so it needs to be as all around as possible.
nah-- more what i meant was -- are dynamics more important than, say, detail? do you like a ruler flat response out to 30k? are you a bass freak? do you want 'modern' vs. 'vintage' sound? warm or analytical? what compromises are you willing to make? what're your space limitations? can you make them? can you solder or do woodworking?
you'd be surprised how fast you could shape up a list based on that stuff!
good luck!
d
My ability to describe things like that is limited. I like the right balance. I enjoy detail but if I wanted complete and total detail I would go solid state. So I do like the warm and fuzzy, euphonic sound of tubes coming through my speakers. I have a good amount of space but a Klipsh Lascala would be too wide. It is a large living room. I can solder but I can't do woodworking, or at least all I would attempt is gluing a prefab kit. Would prefer to buy them complete though. Does this help?
absolutely!
somebody else recommended the bastanis dragonfly-- i haven't heard-- but it's a single driver efficient enough and in your range. there's the hammer dynamics speaks.. although i dunno if they do a full box kit. you could check out 'the horn shoppe'. but i can't recommend any of them by ear. i think you'd be hard pressed in your price range for any audio notes or spendors at this point (especially given their crazy price increases as late!).. you could look at some of the old JBLs and altecs used-- that'd probably be your best route for full sized sound, efficiency, and some adjustability. none of 'em is perfect-- and i don't know if they fit your size specs either (might think about cornwalls-- narrower than la scalas, anyhow..).. but it depends on your need for bass. some folks love 8"ers-- but they'll limit your volume-- which with a 2a3 will probably be limited anyhow, especially if it's your only amp.
if i were you-- i'd seriously check the vintage market-- that's a pretty good amount of working room economically-- but NEW.. not so much. it REALLY seems that the high eff world is tough in that range. mebbe omegas.. but i think they're fostex too. you could also try to score yourself some jbl le8's and buy some prefab boxes from madisound or parts express too.. plop a supertweeter on 'em.
phew! well.. that's a few ideas.. hope any of 'em is helpful!
yrs
d.
Looking at the Dragonfly, I am not sure if I can build it and it looks like it needs real research to cost it out. The Altec's seem to have a history and again, it will take some research to see what models might actually be in my price range. JBL looks promising. You have a large number of suggestions, which I appreciate, and am looking into. I don't want anyone to think I am being flippant when they take the time to respond which is why I like to say thanks upfront and then do the back-end research. I thought I was being polite, I am very sorry I offended you.
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Thanks!
this thread's more of a resource than most of us started with. seriously-- try google on any of the suggestions- and at this point- theres a lot of 'em. we can only throw you ideas-- the rest is dependant on your system and ears- period. if you say stuff like 'places to start are always appreciated' at the end of a 30 some message thread- people're gonna think you're trolling or just ignoring their recommendations!
good luck-
d.
I have a list of names, google is exactly where I am heading, and actually have already started researching. I have suggestions for corner horns, line arrays, etc... I have already located one of the suggestions in Georgia and am going to go listen to it. The thread sparked a few people to contact me and I have already gone and listened to a pair of Brines yesterday and am setting up two more listening sessions based on this thread.
I didn't mean that the efforts were just a good start but that I am at the beginning of a long process and that I have a good deal of work ahead of me. The names are a fantastic resource, but I haven't heard more than one of them yet so I wanted to say thanks for the lists and let people know I appreciate it and am going forward. Other than that I don't have anything intelligent to say yet so I just said thanks for the help.
sorry paul-
my apologies.. sometimes this inflectionless world of email can be brutal on the context level of communication!
good luck on the search, and hopefully the listening is fruitful-- don't forget your amp! definitely report back and let us know what y' find-
yrs--
d
The internet is full of people who have forgotten their manners, just didn't want you thinking I was one of them after you went to the trouble to make that great list for me. I do appreciate it. I am a bit of a Bottlehead, so I am toying with the idea building a Paramount to start which has enough power to run my current speakers and then once I have managed to listen to enough speakers and do the research I will buy a pair. I haven't decided which I want to do first (I already have a SET amp that I can use so I could go either way). Bottlehead is the easy part for me ultimately, the speakers are the tougher nut but I am on my way. Thanks!
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