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In Reply to: RE: I'm ok with CDs. posted by Jotaro on October 13, 2024 at 21:03:58
>>How do the high-rez downloads compare to cd's or ripped cd's.This is all specific to my playback system.
Higher quality be it lossless or higher resolution free concert recordings can sound really excellent and IMO comparable to the best quality live recordings I have on vinyl. These free digital downloads are mostly raw and unprocessed and the best of them are in my opinion similar to my favorite analog era live recordings that I have on vinyl.
I use dbPoweramp CD ripper to rip CDs and convert them to FLAC. Playing back those rips from a hard drive sounds better than playing the CDs even if the CDP is used as a transport and feed into the same DAC as the CD rips. I think I could find another CDP that gives better results in this comparison but I'm just going to deal with it this way. When the streamer gets into play I'll be looking for a new DAC for that - whether or not I'll use it for the rips is something to decide later.
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for you to buy a DAC and retire the CDP. I took that step a dozen years ago and never looked back. Also use dbPoweramp for rips and batch transcoding.
Playing back those rips from a hard drive sounds better...
Agree. My SSD based music server delivers essentially memory playback. When I queue an album or playlist, it reads the entire content in under five seconds (that's how long it takes to create a completely new copy!) and caches into 6 GB of buffer memory on the NAS.
Another advantage for me is that the library content is shared across several systems using the same UI on pad, phone or watch. No more burning CD-Rs for the garage system. Still have a spindle of them left! :)
The CDP is already sitting idle haven't used it in many months maybe years.
I'm not using the internet for playing music files. Do want to try an external SSD drive though. The HDD to RPi is USB and the RPi is connected to the DAC via USB.
I use Qobuz regularly through the same music server. Combine tracks from that and local storage for playlists. Beautiful thing when you have access to literally millions of tracks and have immediate access to new stuff.
Been using foobar and Moode for the music library and haven't set up many playlists after more than 10 years of having a digital music library. I am really into random play though.
I'll be perfectly content keeping the RPi for the the music library and a streamer for high quality digital streaming. Most of the streamers I'm considering come with their own DAC and support attaching a disk of music files. Depends on the quality of the app that comes with the streamer and the included or outboard DAC chosen to work best with streaming whether or not I'm going to use the streamer with the music library. That'll be a bridge to cross when I get a streamer home. Point being what's best for the streaming might not be what's best for the music library.
I'll be perfectly content keeping the RPi for the the music library and a streamer for high quality digital streaming. Most of the streamers I'm considering...
The RPi is a streamer.
I use an older 3B in the garage for streaming Qobuz and local content from the media server via WiFi. It employs the internal DAC on a Fosi integrated. The old iPhone streams Sirius/XM and Bandcamp.
And like any computer it can be configured to provide many different services. I am using mine as a hard drive music player.I'm not using mine as a streamer and don't care to attempt to use it as one because it's not supported by the streaming source I want to use. According to Qobuz, and to reviews I read on using it as a server, it will not deliver high resolution to an RPi/Moode. In addition the interface provided leaves much to be desired.
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According to Qobuz, and to reviews I read on using it as a server, it will not deliver high resolution to an RPi/Moode.
Don't limit yourself with Moode!
Abe Collins gets 192/24 with his using Roon. Cut-Throat and I get 192/24 using LMS/pCP with ours.
Many OS choices available that extract maximum resolution.
What I really like about both my RPis (have another) and the Sonore ultraRendu is that both work seamlessly together with server and Qobuz. Mix and match local and network streamed content at 192/24. Looks the same from the player UI on pad, phone or watch!
It's mostly a matter of time. For $500 I can get a product that'll plug in and connect to Tidal or Qobuz and deliver either an analog or digital output.I can select the audio system (the networked RPi) and play the music library on my PC from foobar. Unfortunately I am unable to select the audio system from my PC or cell phone and play music selected from the Qobuz app. If I could do this I wouldn't need or want a music server in the audio system. I don't need foobar (it's my PC player though) and it's kind of kludgy (when used as an app to select the RPi) as I can just run the Moode browser app from the PC or my iPhone to play it from the RPi connected to my DAC.
Roon seems like more of a commitment I want to make but if I ever do it's compatible with the music servers I am considering. As to moving off Moode I've just concluded spending money on a device ready to go allows me to do stuff I kind of enjoy instead of working to get it all working. I can come back and do it later if I get motivated. The $500 Cambridge player I looking at rated a 768/32 PCM and DSD 512 and claims the 192/32 and DSD 64 at it's digital outs if I want to consider another DAC.
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"Agree. My SSD based music server delivers essentially memory playback. When I queue an album or playlist, it reads the entire content in under five seconds (that's how long it takes to create a completely new copy!) and caches into 6 GB of buffer memory on the NAS"How is 6GB of buffer memory for music on the NAS beneficial to playback over a network onto a network streamer that has no where near that amount of memory ?
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The NAS isn't actually PLAYING music but you say that loading 6GB of music into its RAM is beneficial. I'm just trying to understand how that would be beneficial when the music data is sent over the network from the NAS to a network streamer that does the playing ?
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and I'm out of here. Have a good day!
Figured you couldn't explain it. Nothing in your linked post answers the question on why buffering 6GB of music on the NAS is beneficial for PLAYBACK over the network on a network streamer.
First of all the NAS is not a "memory PLAYER". It is not a PLAYER at all. The streamer is doing the PLAYING.
And if you go back to "drain and fill" math from elementary school, the NAS will not "drain" any faster than what can be "filled" and PLAYED on the streamer. Hence, no advantage to buffering 6GB of music on the NAS for PLAYBACK on the streamer.
But thanks anyway.
The RPi can *drain* an entire CD.
What is your problem?
No problem. Just chuckling at your inability (or refusal) to understand basic tech."The RPi can *drain* an entire CD."
So, that still doesn't explain any benefit to buffering 6GB of music in RAM on the NAS.
I'm outta here now.
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Yeah, correcting yet another case where you just make up $hit about my systems.
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