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In Reply to: If you think computer simulations in one virtual room results in conclusions for ALL rooms, you're a lost audiophile! posted by Richard BassNut Greene on March 7, 2007 at 10:07:21:
Richard,My position is that scattered multiple subs done right (and it's not complicated) smoothes the bass everywhere in the room, including in the sweet spot. The data indicates that this is true.
Claims about what is or is not important to this or that group doesn't change acoustic reality. Claims about whether or not the messenger is a lost audiophile don't change acoustic reality.
One of your paragraphs I will respond to:
"It may be possible, after months or even years of trial and error, to find positions for multiple subwoofers that are optimal for ONE seating position in ONE room ... but ONLY if you ignore the quality of subwoofer/main speaker integration (the quality of the front soundstage), which is the most important attribute when using a subwoofer(s) in a two-channel audio system, IMHO."
You don't need to optimize the position of multiple subs. It's much easier than using only one sub, just as using two subs is easier than using only one.
The blend with the main speakers is improved (assuming steep-slope lowpass filters) because the bass is smoother, so there's less discrepancy between what's happening in the bass region and what's happening up above.
How about either you or I start a thread asking two-channel system owners if they agree or disagree with this statement: "The sound quality at ONE SWEET SPOT is all that matters."
At least we could settle that issue.
Duke
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Follow Ups
- Acoustic principles don't change from room to room - only the specific application of those principles changes - Duke 10:32:08 03/07/07 (17)
- Did it ever occur to you that every so-called "expert" you cite has a DIFFERENT sub location recommendation !!!!!!!!!! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:38:46 03/08/07 (16)
- It is the data I am most interested in; I draw my own conclusions. (nt) - Duke 09:22:19 03/08/07 (15)
- It's the sound quality in a real room that I'm interested in -- not computer simulations never tested by real ears! - Richard BassNut Greene 09:52:24 03/08/07 (14)
- So... if I tell you that I've tried both and my way works best, will that convince you? - Duke 11:36:37 03/08/07 (13)
- Adding a third or fourth subwoofer may improve bass at your seat in your room ... or maybe make it worse! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:26:52 03/09/07 (12)
- Adding additional subs almost always results in smoothing. - Duke 09:29:21 03/09/07 (11)
- $10,000 says my one subwoofer + parametric EQ will be smoother than your three or four subwoofers in 9 out of 10 rooms - Richard BassNut Greene 13:40:32 03/09/07 (10)
- Depends on parameters of the contest - Duke 14:13:09 03/09/07 (9)
- Three or four "scattered subwoofers" all located on the floor = sonic disaster - Richard BassNut Greene 09:23:41 03/10/07 (8)
- not true - Duke 13:58:37 03/10/07 (7)
- Re: some comments - twelti 15:54:39 03/11/07 (6)
- Your paper applies to surround sound but many readers assume 4 subs are best for two-channel - Richard BassNut Greene 08:31:20 03/12/07 (2)
- Re: Your paper applies to surround sound but many readers assume 4 subs are best for two-channel - twelti 21:45:37 03/12/07 (1)
- My mind is open on a third or fourth subwoofer for two channel audio. You seem to have only conclusions. - Richard BassNut Greene 08:53:53 03/13/07 (0)
- Re: some comments - Duke 16:22:24 03/11/07 (2)
- Re: some comments - twelti 19:12:15 03/11/07 (1)
- "Heated exchange"??? - Richard BassNut Greene 09:12:33 03/12/07 (0)
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