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When he hadn't heard the guy play. This is pathetic.

Posted by J (A) on July 16, 2006 at 23:26:06

In Reply to: George Martin apparently agreed posted by Duilawyer on July 16, 2006 at 17:01:23:

Do you not even read yr posts? The Alan White comments are far more complimentary of Ringo than you seem to think they are. I didn't read some of yr posts above. Are you on pain medication? It would explain yr flaw in logic.

If you think Buckethead is a better player than Jimi Hendrix, you are entitled to that opinion. If you think Ringo was 'nothing special' as a drummer, you're welcome to that, also. But if you'd like, I can find that thread from years ago when you informed us all with absolute certainty that 'Ringo was not a good drummer,' which was proof enough that, in MY opinion, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think this was some sort of troll or something. But parroting that nonsense about Ringo's drumming ability makes it appear that you fell in with folks who embraced that sort of uninformed thinking. And I'd be happy to link, once again, to the page where the session guy related 10 or 15 major points about exactly what Ringo's strengths were...of course, after Keith Moon & what he spawned, guys that simply kept superb time like Ringo & Charlie Watts seemed boring to people who apparently don't care that drums is a rhythm instrument. Hell, I thought Moby Dick was cool once, too, but I was 15 at the time. However, even then, I knew Ringo had a swing in his playing that was rarely heard in most other popular rock acts.

With the exception of Moon, I could care less for every showoff busybody who thinks he has to make some sort of statement behind the kit, whether it fits the music or not. I don't have a problem with creativity, but I simply have no interest in drummers who do much more than keep time. The flourishes that most add are unbelievably annoying, as they serve the purpose, most of the time, to get in the way of the song, instead of enhancing it...or, in cases of drummers like Ringo, they let the melodies & parts & licks & vocals & lyrical ideas express what the song is. In other words, they did their job & otherwise stayed out of the way.

There are exceptions to Keith Moon, for me, when it comes to drummers that moved beyond this in ways I happen to like, but they are few & far between. I admire when busy drumming is done well, since I so rarely hear it done in a way I like in any way, shape, or form. Ringo just wasn't cool or hip enough for people to seize on his strengths in a period where everyone had to outdo each other's musicianship.

Feh.

Buckethead is an extremely talented, but hack-like robot of a technician. I have no beef with him or his audience, so long as I don't have to listen to it. Comparing him to Hendrix is a humorous exercise. Maybe it wouldn't be if music were all about playing, to the exclusion of all else. Lots of people could probably 'outplay' Hendrix at this point, technically. And perhaps Hendrix stood out because there weren't as many great technicians in his day. But while it's a subjective point, I'd argue that his creativity, his ideas, his superb execution, and his charisma as a performer, places him well above someone like Buckethead in any reasonable pantheon, or personal list. You want to see someone who might comnpare favorably to Hendrix, go to a Dick Dale show, and you'll see some of the tricks of the trade on display that he taught Jimi. Buckethead? For Pete's sakes. 20 years ago I heard similar things about Yngwie Malmsteen. I have no interest in him, either, but bringing Hendrix into such discussions is at least as ridiculous as slamming Ringo because you don't seem to understand what it was about his ability that made him great. Oh, and when you think dragging out clips about Andy White make yr point for you, you might ask yrself exactly why a bunch of kids who were practically still teenagers & hoped for mass appeal would get rid of a guy who looked like Pete Best for a guy who looked like Ringo Starr. The difference was, Ringo had the capability to be a pro drummer, and he grew into that role with style & finesse, achieving every ounce of his potential along the way. The fact is, he was a pro drummer, and would have been in demand for his skin-pounding as a profession, in one manner or another, had the situation with the Beatles not developed. A guy who would've made a fine living, I believe, either touring in this or that band in that region, or perhaps being a studio hack, given the experience he lacked when first brought into the Beatles.

This guy you're trying to paint as ordinary, when once you painted him as 'not a great drummer,' played on John Lennon & George Harrison solo albums, with B.B. King, Howlin' Wolf, Harry Nilsson, Jimmy Webb, Carly Simon, Stephen Stills, Peter Frampton, Bob Dylan, Nils Lofgren, Tom Petty, the Band, Carl Perkins, & T-Bone Burnett. Now, even if Alan White was making the point you read into his comments, and I say he wasn't, does that resume strike you as an 'ordinary' drummer?

If you think that his name on someone's project as some sort of brownie point marketing status chip is really why any of those people chose to work with him, then I'd say you're more deluded than yr posts indicate.

I'll post those links from years ago if you insist. But I'd respectfully suggest that you give this up already. It's beyond ridiculous.

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