Everyone knows that Peter Aczel believes it is impossible for two amplifiers to sound different at matched levels if each has high input impedance, low output impedance, flat frequency response, low distortion, low noise floor, and is not clipped. Without arguing the validity of Aczel's beliefs I'm curious as to how it's been deteremined when any of these criteria have been satisfied. So I would like to know:1) What figure represents what high input impedance is?
2) What figure represents what low output impedance is?
3) What level of deviation +/- 1dB, +/- 3dB, +/- 5dB etc. and what range of frequencies 20-20Khz, 10-100Khz, 1-1Mhz etc constitutes flat frequency response?
4) What figure represents what low distortion is?
5) What figure represents what low noise floor is?Once you've answered 1-5 Please answer these 5 additional questions...
1) Who deteremined these figures represent the acceptable or correct answers?
2) Is there detailed, documented proof that these are in fact the acceptable or correct answers and are they truly scientifically supported? Or are these figures arbitrarily reached?
3) Are there peer reviewed published studies available that proves these answers are in fact truly scientifically supported and agrees with the results of the detailed, documented proof? If not why are these figures still accepted?
4) Are there peer reviewed published studies available that disproves these answers are in fact truly scientifically supported and disagrees with the results of the detailed, documented proof? If there are, why are these studies rejected?
5) Has anyone taken a solidstate amp and made the input impedance, output impedance, frequency response, distortion, and noise floor match an SET, to see if it is impossible for these two amplifiers to sound different at matched levels and when not clipped?I personally believe amps sound different. Yet I've heard some amps sound similar to other amps I've heard. I have a hypothesis, that a more correct statement would be it is improbable for two amplifiers to sound very different at matched levels if each has the same or very close input impedance, the same or very close output impedance, the same or very close frequency response, the same or very close distortion, the same or very close noise floor, and is not clipped. I honestly don't know what the correct answer is, but based on previous experiences this hypothesis "seems" more correct, if these criteria have the effect on sound that Aczel implies they do.
Thetubeguy1954
"If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.†Richard Feynman theoretical physicist, 1918-1988
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Topic - What Constitues A "Properly Designed" Amp? - thetubeguy1954 06:31:53 04/13/07 (63)
- God willing to give us SAME brain of Bill, we'll be all richest guys on earth. Amen. (nt) - cheap-Jack 12:56:30 04/16/07 (0)
- A voltage multiplier that does not change the frequency response and adds little distortion - Richard BassNut Greene 07:41:18 04/16/07 (6)
- Re: A voltage multiplier that does not change the frequency response and adds little distortion - thetubeguy1954 10:36:58 04/16/07 (3)
- The answer is simple - Analog Scott 16:24:47 04/16/07 (2)
- Re: The answer is simple - morricab 02:36:01 04/17/07 (1)
- Re: The answer is simple - Analog Scott 13:45:02 04/17/07 (0)
- If it works for you, great. - Analog Scott 07:52:46 04/16/07 (1)
- Ditto - E-Stat 12:38:15 04/16/07 (0)
- Not a single objectivist offered a straight forward answer, Why? - Analog Scott 09:28:31 04/15/07 (27)
- Sorry, but some have. - Pat D 10:38:48 04/15/07 (26)
- Not In MY Opinion They Haven't - thetubeguy1954 16:44:23 04/15/07 (12)
- There is a reason why I answered so generally - Presto 11:34:33 04/16/07 (0)
- They haven't - kerr 04:54:16 04/16/07 (10)
- Most of the answers are prefaced by "that depends ...." - clifff 06:55:31 04/16/07 (9)
- Re: Most of the answers are prefaced by "that depends ...." - thetubeguy1954 10:49:14 04/16/07 (8)
- What you are quoting is Aczel's OPINION. - clifff 11:23:35 04/16/07 (7)
- Re: What you are quoting is Aczel's OPINION. - thetubeguy1954 11:46:23 04/16/07 (6)
- It's taken you a long time to come to that realization! - Pat D 13:24:39 04/16/07 (5)
- Pat D Uses "Properly Designed" In His Rebuttals, But Now Claims It's ONLY Aczel's Opinion - thetubeguy1954 09:00:46 04/19/07 (3)
- Changing the ground: we were discussing Peter Aczel, now he wants to talk about me.. - Pat D 14:32:10 04/19/07 (2)
- If I Told You What I Really Thought Of You, I'd Be Thrown Off PHP - thetubeguy1954 11:32:47 04/20/07 (1)
- You have devoted whole threads to bashing me! (nt) - Pat D 13:57:47 04/20/07 (0)
- I've ALWAYS Realized That!!! It's You Who Took It As Dogma, Not Me! - thetubeguy1954 14:02:39 04/16/07 (0)
- IMO you always have had a strange idea of a straight forward answer - Analog Scott 11:28:37 04/15/07 (12)
- Mr. Teflon strikes again! - E-Stat 12:27:30 04/16/07 (0)
- Why don't you answer it? A number of people have given answers as straightforward as the question allows. - Pat D 13:44:32 04/15/07 (10)
- I didn't answer it because my answer is irrelevant. - Analog Scott 16:10:13 04/15/07 (9)
- Well, it now comes out that tubey wasn't at all clear about what he wanted. - Pat D 18:00:12 04/15/07 (8)
- Pat Once Afain You Just Cannot Understand The Obvious... - thetubeguy1954 11:26:17 04/16/07 (2)
- But no one seems to have grasped your intent in the original post! - Pat D 13:34:09 04/16/07 (1)
- Not True! Only The Objectivist Pretended Not To Understand.... - thetubeguy1954 14:11:43 04/16/07 (0)
- actually there might be a relevant answer from some one here - Analog Scott 20:45:52 04/15/07 (3)
- That's It Precisely - thetubeguy1954 11:36:29 04/16/07 (2)
- Making things up again. - Pat D 13:07:01 04/16/07 (1)
- Yes You Are (nt) - thetubeguy1954 14:13:03 04/16/07 (0)
- I don't think those "right answers" he wanted exist. (nt) - Presto 20:12:55 04/15/07 (0)
- Since Peter Aczel's use of the phrase upsets you, why don't you ask him what he means by it? - Pat D 11:31:49 04/14/07 (17)
- As Typical The Obvious Needs To Be Explained Tou You! - thetubeguy1954 16:37:57 04/15/07 (8)
- If that's what you wanted, why didn't you say so? - Pat D 17:51:21 04/15/07 (7)
- Because It Was Obvious & Implied In The Question - thetubeguy1954 11:02:36 04/16/07 (0)
- why don't you just answer the question? - Analog Scott 22:06:06 04/15/07 (5)
- I did! I pointed out that if he wants Peter Aczel's ideas on "well designed" explained, he should ask Mr. Aczel! - Pat D 20:39:12 04/16/07 (4)
- No you didn't. - Analog Scott 20:45:25 04/16/07 (3)
- Of course I answered him. - Pat D 21:33:55 04/16/07 (2)
- It seems you just want to argue about silly things - Analog Scott 21:51:37 04/16/07 (1)
- Somehow I just don't look up every single post you make. - Pat D 05:45:44 04/17/07 (0)
- Is He Accessible? - Todd Krieger 03:11:35 04/15/07 (5)
- Re: Is He Accessible? - Pat D 10:52:39 04/15/07 (4)
- Aczel's Words DO In Fact Apply To A Specific Set Of Criteria For Audio!!! - thetubeguy1954 16:52:05 04/15/07 (3)
- GMAB! You asked a general question, not just one about Peter Aczel. - Pat D 17:34:50 04/15/07 (2)
- You Are ALWAYS Good For Laugh Pat - thetubeguy1954 12:16:01 04/16/07 (1)
- "What Constitues [sic] A "Properly Designed" Amp?" " - Pat D 20:19:24 04/16/07 (0)
- Re: Since Peter Aczel's use of the phrase upsets you, why don't you ask him what he means by it? - Dan Banquer 13:10:15 04/14/07 (1)
- Re: Since Peter Aczel's use of the phrase upsets you, why don't you ask him what he means by it? - Pat D 13:15:21 04/14/07 (1)
- Simple: One that meets it's design goals, which must be defined. (nt) - Presto 13:26:10 04/13/07 (2)
- The Problem Is.... - Todd Krieger 00:51:22 04/14/07 (1)
- Re: The Problem Is.... - Presto 12:47:15 04/14/07 (0)
- That's easy.... - mkuller 11:28:46 04/13/07 (0)
- A properly designed product must...... - rick_m 10:50:08 04/13/07 (0)
- Re: What Constitues A "Properly Designed" Amp? - lipmanl@hotmail.com 10:14:14 04/13/07 (2)
- Ah HAH. Now we're getting somewhere. - Presto 15:09:07 04/13/07 (1)
- Re: Ah HAH. Now we're getting somewhere. - Pat D 08:12:37 04/14/07 (0)
- That's easy! One that sounds like every decent amp. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:50:37 04/13/07 (0)