Buy a speaker that does not have a roller coaster curve like the arbitrary test load - E-Stat

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Topic - If your amplifier is clipping, have you left the realm of high fidelity? - AJinFLA 16:11:48 10/31/06 (214)

I guess we're all in trouble -- every amp clips once in a while - Richard BassNut Greene 14:14:06 11/02/06 (82)

Re: I guess we're all in trouble -- every amp clips once in a while - Don T 05:56:51 11/04/06 (3)

"every amp clips once in a while"....Oh yeah? - Soundmind 06:29:58 11/04/06 (2)

Oh yea! - Don T 06:56:33 11/04/06 (1)

Re: Oh yea! - Soundmind 08:26:55 11/04/06 (0)

Don't worry about it, we're not usually in the realm of high fidelity anyway - Soundmind 15:29:46 11/02/06 (77)

Relative to your theories... - soulfood 16:31:15 11/02/06 (76)

Re: Relative to your theories... - Soundmind 17:02:29 11/02/06 (75)

But do all halls behave the same? - Bob Rex 06:50:27 11/03/06 (1)

Re: But do all halls behave the same? - Soundmind 09:08:54 11/03/06 (0)

Re: Relative to your theories... - soulfood 19:14:09 11/02/06 (3)

Re: Relative to your theories... - vettracer 19:44:31 11/02/06 (2)

Re: Relative to your theories... - soulfood 09:25:53 11/03/06 (0)

Re: Relative to your theories... - Soundmind 03:24:04 11/03/06 (0)

The part that he completely missed - E-Stat 17:36:01 11/02/06 (68)

Re: The part that he completely missed - Soundmind 03:34:07 11/03/06 (59)

I was discussing the result of Amar's research, the Bose 901 - E-Stat 06:23:29 11/03/06 (58)

I wasn't. You brought it up because you are a troll - Soundmind 08:43:48 11/03/06 (57)

Congratulations! - E-Stat 09:17:42 11/03/06 (56)

Re: Congratulations! - Soundmind 09:25:36 11/03/06 (55)

SM, I am an engineer - E-Stat 09:56:08 11/03/06 (54)

Wow, you really had me fooled, I never would have guessed. - Soundmind 10:19:34 11/03/06 (53)

Similar, but - E-Stat 10:46:06 11/03/06 (52)

Did you have to take regular engineering courses like Calculus, Differential equations, physics? - AJinFLA 13:29:44 11/03/06 (49)

"Ha-Ha!!! Ho-Ho!!!! Hee-Hee!!!!!" - Todd Krieger 22:22:42 11/03/06 (22)

Crocodile Tears - Dan Banquer 06:28:40 11/04/06 (0)

I'm not an engineer.. - AJinFLA 05:09:36 11/04/06 (1)

Are You Always Thinking About Me AJ? - thetubeguy1954 09:43:25 11/06/06 (0)

Are you an electrical engineer? If not, maybe I shouldn't be talking to you - Soundmind 04:10:01 11/04/06 (7)

Re: "Are you an electrical engineer? If not, maybe I shouldn't be talking to you" - Todd Krieger 20:07:28 11/04/06 (6)

Re: "Are you an electrical engineer? If not, maybe I shouldn't be talking to you" - Soundmind 06:02:32 11/05/06 (5)

Re: "Are you an electrical engineer? If not, maybe I shouldn't be talking to you" - Todd Krieger 10:44:05 11/05/06 (4)

Re: "Are you an electrical engineer? If not, maybe I shouldn't be talking to you" - Soundmind 14:23:57 11/05/06 (3)

Re: "Are you an electrical engineer? If not, maybe I shouldn't be talking to you" - Todd Krieger 00:46:15 11/06/06 (2)

Re: "Are you an electrical engineer? If not, maybe I shouldn't be talking to you" - Soundmind 06:12:55 11/06/06 (1)

Software design is ALL about problem solving - E-Stat 08:44:37 11/06/06 (0)

Re: "Ha-Ha!!! Ho-Ho!!!! Hee-Hee!!!!!" - john curl 01:57:18 11/04/06 (10)

Engineering Courses Versus Public Forums..... - Todd Krieger 19:35:50 11/04/06 (8)

Re: Engineering Courses Versus Public Forums..... - john curl 00:49:26 11/05/06 (7)

Re: Engineering Courses Versus Public Forums..... - Todd Krieger 02:17:19 11/05/06 (6)

Re: Engineering Courses Versus Public Forums..... - john curl 12:03:00 11/05/06 (0)

Re: Engineering Courses Versus Public Forums..... - Soundmind 06:08:49 11/05/06 (4)

Re: Engineering Courses Versus Public Forums..... - Todd Krieger 10:52:37 11/05/06 (0)

Sure it is - E-Stat 10:47:19 11/05/06 (2)

Re: Sure it is - Soundmind 14:32:18 11/05/06 (1)

Actually - E-Stat 09:34:21 11/06/06 (0)

Re: "Ha-Ha!!! Ho-Ho!!!! Hee-Hee!!!!!" - john curl 12:01:07 11/04/06 (0)

What floats your boat - E-Stat 14:17:18 11/03/06 (4)

Ah - AJinFLA 15:37:39 11/03/06 (3)

Nice - E-Stat 16:39:31 11/03/06 (2)

Re: Nice - AJinFLA 19:20:15 11/03/06 (1)

Hmmm - E-Stat 06:41:48 11/04/06 (0)

Re: Did you have to take regular engineering courses like Calculus, Differential equations, physics? - Soundmind 14:08:08 11/03/06 (8)

Re: Curl's position - Mahatma Kane Jeeves 09:58:26 11/05/06 (5)

Re: Curl's position - Soundmind 10:25:28 11/05/06 (4)

Re: Curl's position - john curl 15:32:36 11/05/06 (3)

Re: Curl's position - Soundmind 19:38:14 11/05/06 (2)

Re: Curl's position - john curl 22:51:35 11/05/06 (1)

Re: Curl's position - Soundmind 06:16:44 11/06/06 (0)

Maybe he drives a train in his spare time (nt) - AJinFLA 14:13:38 11/03/06 (1)

Or visa versa... maybe he sells software in his spare time and driving trains is his day job (nt) - Soundmind 14:37:57 11/03/06 (0)

Re: Did you have to take regular engineering courses like Calculus, Differential equations, physics? - kerr 13:36:14 11/03/06 (11)

Re: Did you have to take regular engineering courses like Calculus, Differential equations, physics? - AJinFLA 14:12:10 11/03/06 (10)

Re: Did you have to take regular engineering courses like Calculus, Differential equations, physics? - kerr 16:53:51 11/03/06 (8)

Re: Did you have to take regular engineering courses like Calculus, Differential equations, physics? - AJinFLA 20:17:04 11/03/06 (7)

Re: Did you have to take regular engineering courses like Calculus, Differential equations, physics? - kerr 09:05:09 11/04/06 (6)

Glenmorangie (nt) - AJinFLA 16:29:11 11/06/06 (1)

That's a good choice - kerr 04:39:35 11/07/06 (0)

Scotch? - thetubeguy1954 12:47:18 11/06/06 (3)

Re: Scotch? - kerr 12:58:10 11/06/06 (2)

Bourbon! - thetubeguy1954 08:12:37 11/07/06 (1)

We just have to be careful... - kerr 09:18:33 11/07/06 (0)

Or kindergarten (nt) - AJinFLA 14:35:09 11/03/06 (0)

Re: Similar, but - Soundmind 11:12:31 11/03/06 (1)

As the link I provided mentions - E-Stat 11:40:56 11/03/06 (0)

Re: The part that he completely missed - tomservo 17:44:57 11/02/06 (7)

Re: The part that he completely missed - Soundmind 03:36:41 11/03/06 (5)

Re: The part that he completely missed - kerr 08:25:53 11/03/06 (4)

Re: The part that he completely missed - thetubeguy1954 09:24:21 11/03/06 (3)

Off-topic... - kerr 10:00:59 11/03/06 (2)

Re: Off-topic... - thetubeguy1954 13:31:36 11/03/06 (1)

Re: Off-topic... - kerr 13:43:00 11/03/06 (0)

I have been to The Mountain - E-Stat 19:03:36 11/02/06 (0)

I believe it is the case.. - Ugly 10:46:39 11/02/06 (6)

This Could Be Caused By "Expectation Biases" No? - thetubeguy1954 11:16:43 11/02/06 (5)

Re: This Could Be Caused By "Expectation Biases" No? - Ugly 15:18:56 11/02/06 (4)

Re: This Could Be Caused By "Expectation Biases" No? - thetubeguy1954 09:06:39 11/03/06 (3)

Re: This Could Be Caused By "Expectation Biases" No? - Ugly 11:42:07 11/03/06 (2)

Re: This Could Be Caused By "Expectation Biases" No? - john curl 12:11:22 11/03/06 (1)

So the cops don't like distortion caused by clipping either....hmmm. - Ugly 16:27:03 11/03/06 (0)

YES,,,,, But - tomservo 08:55:46 11/02/06 (1)

Re: YES,,,,, But - AJinFLA 13:50:59 11/03/06 (0)

I think there are couple more variables here - E-Stat 14:50:55 11/01/06 (2)

Re: I think there are couple more variables here - Steve Eddy 15:30:44 11/01/06 (1)

Only with my second example - E-Stat 16:00:45 11/01/06 (0)

Re: If your amplifier is clipping, have you left the realm of high fidelity? - Dan Banquer 12:39:40 11/01/06 (92)

Re: If your amplifier is clipping, have you left the realm of high fidelity? - Soundmind 08:36:36 11/02/06 (0)

Just to clarify... - andy_c 18:19:01 11/01/06 (68)

Re: Just to clarify... - Dan Banquer 05:39:21 11/02/06 (67)

Amen. Distortion figures, too. - markrohr 09:40:21 11/02/06 (6)

Re: Amen. Distortion figures, too. - Pat D 12:37:37 11/02/06 (5)

Re: Amen. Distortion figures, too. - Dan Banquer 16:40:24 11/02/06 (3)

Re: Amen. Distortion figures, too. - Soundmind 04:23:21 11/03/06 (2)

Re: Amen. Distortion figures, too. - Dan Banquer 04:36:07 11/03/06 (1)

Re: Amen. Distortion figures, too. - Soundmind 05:53:37 11/03/06 (0)

Yup. Wish Stereophile would follow suit. - markrohr 13:28:07 11/02/06 (0)

Re: Just to clarify... - morricab 09:16:17 11/02/06 (59)

Hummmmmmmmmmmmm. - Dan Banquer 09:42:04 11/02/06 (58)

Re: Hummmmmmmmmmmmm. - morricab 01:14:50 11/03/06 (57)

Re: Hummmmmmmmmmmmm. - Dan Banquer 05:27:55 11/03/06 (56)

Re: Hummmmmmmmmmmmm. - morricab 07:16:55 11/03/06 (55)

Here's an amplifier you'd die to own...if it had somebody elses name on it - Soundmind 14:49:40 11/03/06 (49)

It's your lucky day, SM! - E-Stat 18:06:40 11/05/06 (0)

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz - E-Stat 14:07:31 11/05/06 (0)

Re: Here's an amplifier you'd die to own...if it had somebody elses name on it - morricab 01:26:57 11/04/06 (46)

Re: Here's an amplifier you'd die to own...if it had somebody elses name on it - Pat D 07:31:39 11/04/06 (40)

Buy a speaker that does not have a roller coaster curve like the arbitrary test load - E-Stat 06:08:33 11/06/06 (33)

But many, many speakers have a roller coaster impedance vs. frequency curve. - Pat D 07:19:38 11/07/06 (32)

Well, I've always chosen the speaker first - E-Stat 11:21:34 11/07/06 (31)

Re: Well, I've always chosen the speaker first - Pat D 20:27:06 11/07/06 (30)

I'm just not sure about one thing - E-Stat 12:26:10 11/08/06 (29)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 17:55:17 11/08/06 (28)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 02:07:36 11/09/06 (23)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 07:23:35 11/09/06 (22)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 08:32:16 11/09/06 (21)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 15:46:49 11/09/06 (20)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 03:33:42 11/10/06 (19)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 05:12:54 11/10/06 (18)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 06:53:50 11/10/06 (17)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 08:53:38 11/10/06 (16)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 13:59:48 11/13/06 (15)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 22:58:54 11/17/06 (14)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 08:50:46 11/20/06 (13)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 11:12:10 11/21/06 (12)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 02:29:01 11/22/06 (11)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 05:54:22 11/23/06 (10)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 09:43:31 11/23/06 (9)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 14:21:56 11/23/06 (8)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 16:36:58 11/23/06 (7)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 11:13:37 11/25/06 (6)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 18:22:50 11/25/06 (5)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 18:15:15 11/27/06 (4)

Other sources of information - morricab 09:05:17 11/29/06 (0)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 07:32:33 11/29/06 (2)

Do you listen that loud? - Pat D 13:57:44 11/29/06 (1)

Re: Do you listen that loud? - morricab 09:11:29 11/30/06 (0)

Misstatements? - E-Stat 18:49:56 11/08/06 (3)

Re: Misstatements? - Pat D 15:16:06 11/09/06 (2)

Feel free to interpret the data as you please - E-Stat 15:41:20 11/09/06 (1)

Why don't you use the more accurate NRC data? - Pat D 22:27:51 11/09/06 (0)

Re: Here's an amplifier you'd die to own...if it had somebody elses name on it - morricab 02:07:08 11/06/06 (3)

Re: Here's an amplifier you'd die to own...if it had somebody elses name on it - Pat D 04:57:15 11/06/06 (2)

Re: Here's an amplifier you'd die to own...if it had somebody elses name on it - morricab 06:31:15 11/06/06 (1)

Re: Here's an amplifier you'd die to own...if it had somebody elses name on it - Pat D 22:02:37 11/06/06 (0)

This is not an amplifier you'd want to use with the 4 ohm 12" AR based speaker system - Soundmind 08:39:25 11/04/06 (1)

Re: This is not an amplifier you'd want to use with the 4 ohm 12" AR based speaker system - Pat D 08:04:43 11/05/06 (0)

Morricab, like other subjectivists, you are an ignorant fool - Soundmind 06:08:00 11/04/06 (4)

Re: Morricab, like other subjectivists, you are an ignorant fool - morricab 01:57:59 11/06/06 (1)

Re: Morricab, like other subjectivists, you are an ignorant fool - john curl 10:43:20 11/06/06 (0)

Re: Morricab, like other subjectivists, you are an ignorant fool - Dan Banquer 13:20:14 11/04/06 (1)

Re: Morricab, like other subjectivists, you are an ignorant fool - morricab 01:27:40 11/06/06 (0)

Re: Hummmmmmmmmmmmm. - Dan Banquer 07:53:24 11/03/06 (3)

Don't forget to mention the Cheever thesis in your article - andy_c 20:29:19 11/03/06 (0)

Re: Hummmmmmmmmmmmm. - morricab 08:08:01 11/03/06 (1)

As I expected: When it comes to putting your money where your mouth is... nt - Dan Banquer 09:38:02 11/03/06 (0)

Re: As I expected: When it comes to putting your money where your mouth is... nt - morricab 01:28:22 11/04/06 (0)

I sure as hell don't - E-Stat 18:06:44 11/01/06 (10)

Re: I sure as hell don't - Soundmind 18:23:27 11/01/06 (9)

Re: I sure as hell don't - john curl 22:44:46 11/01/06 (8)

I'm gonna have to disagree John - E-Stat 07:12:27 11/02/06 (3)

Re: I'm gonna have to disagree John - john curl 09:47:37 11/02/06 (2)

Hey John, speaking of protecting your hearing... - mkuller 19:01:01 11/02/06 (0)

AR-3s driven by a MKIII? - E-Stat 17:05:38 11/02/06 (0)

Do the math - Soundmind 06:05:42 11/02/06 (0)

Re: I sure as hell don't - Soundmind 05:00:56 11/02/06 (2)

Re: I sure as hell don't - john curl 10:00:20 11/02/06 (1)

There's an answer for every problem...well the simple ones anyway - Soundmind 10:58:34 11/02/06 (0)

P.S. - Dan Banquer 13:02:44 11/01/06 (10)

Re: P.S. - Soundmind 13:30:27 11/01/06 (9)

Re: P.S. - Todd Krieger 00:02:33 11/02/06 (2)

And then there's that Symphony of a Thousand... nt - clarkjohnsen 08:28:51 11/02/06 (0)

I knew there was a good reason why - E-Stat 07:03:17 11/02/06 (0)

Re: P.S. - thetubeguy1954 14:22:45 11/01/06 (5)

Re: P.S. - Soundmind 14:33:25 11/01/06 (4)

Re: P.S. - thetubeguy1954 06:38:16 11/02/06 (3)

Re: P.S. - Soundmind 08:13:08 11/02/06 (2)

Re: P.S. - thetubeguy1954 10:10:13 11/02/06 (1)

Re: P.S. - Soundmind 11:00:17 11/02/06 (0)

This was a fun demo - andy_c 11:33:12 11/01/06 (0)

Saw and interesting demo... - morricab 11:09:57 11/01/06 (8)

Re: Saw and interesting demo... - Soundmind 11:53:36 11/01/06 (7)

Re: Saw and interesting demo... - morricab 02:39:02 11/02/06 (6)

If your amplifier is clipping, you have left the realm of High Fidelity. - Dan Banquer 06:01:40 11/02/06 (5)

Re: If your amplifier is clipping, you have left the realm of High Fidelity. - morricab 09:12:08 11/02/06 (4)

Re: If your amplifier is clipping, you have left the realm of High Fidelity. - Dan Banquer 09:36:06 11/02/06 (3)

Re: If your amplifier is clipping, you have left the realm of High Fidelity. - morricab 01:40:38 11/03/06 (2)

Re: If your amplifier is clipping, you have left the realm of High Fidelity. - Dan Banquer 04:39:46 11/03/06 (1)

Re: If your amplifier is clipping, you have left the realm of High Fidelity. - morricab 07:22:02 11/03/06 (0)

100% correct - Soundmind 09:06:28 11/01/06 (9)

Caught! (I'm so ashamed) - Dave Pogue 11:32:12 11/01/06 (8)

You need to read the spec sheet to know what you're hearing, Dave. nt - markrohr 04:09:31 11/02/06 (7)

For some people who have sustained significant hearing loss, that's as close as they will come nt - Soundmind 04:46:02 11/02/06 (6)

The topic of Dave's post was clipping and distortion in flea-powered amps, not hearing loss. nt - markrohr 09:43:55 11/02/06 (5)

Re: The topic of Dave's post was clipping and distortion in flea-powered amps, not hearing loss. nt - thetubeguy1954 13:37:54 11/02/06 (1)

And the topic of mine was that for some people, it could hardly matter less what comes out - Soundmind 12:10:49 11/02/06 (3)

The same could be said for your engineering knowledge - morricab 03:18:09 11/07/06 (0)

Re: And the topic of mine was that for some people, it could hardly matter less what comes out - Dave Pogue 16:53:37 11/02/06 (0)

Perhaps you should just respond to your own posts, then. nt - markrohr 13:29:36 11/02/06 (0)

Re: If your amplifier is clipping, have you left the realm of high fidelity? - thetubeguy1954 08:33:43 11/01/06 (4)

Do you use my posts when you shave? - AJinFLA 17:06:30 11/01/06 (2)

No I'd Just Like You To Intelligently Response To My Questions. - thetubeguy1954 09:53:01 11/02/06 (1)

Never feed that bad-mouthed stroll. - cheap-Jack 08:53:05 11/03/06 (0)

Re: If your amplifier is clipping, have you left the realm of high fidelity? - john curl 11:26:19 11/01/06 (0)

Clipping as an audible artifact is not Hi-FI. (nt) - soulfood 07:40:22 11/01/06 (0)

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Buy a speaker that does not have a roller coaster curve like the arbitrary test load - E-Stat 06:08:33 11/06/06 (33)

But many, many speakers have a roller coaster impedance vs. frequency curve. - Pat D 07:19:38 11/07/06 (32)

Well, I've always chosen the speaker first - E-Stat 11:21:34 11/07/06 (31)

Re: Well, I've always chosen the speaker first - Pat D 20:27:06 11/07/06 (30)

I'm just not sure about one thing - E-Stat 12:26:10 11/08/06 (29)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 17:55:17 11/08/06 (28)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 02:07:36 11/09/06 (23)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 07:23:35 11/09/06 (22)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 08:32:16 11/09/06 (21)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 15:46:49 11/09/06 (20)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 03:33:42 11/10/06 (19)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 05:12:54 11/10/06 (18)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 06:53:50 11/10/06 (17)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 08:53:38 11/10/06 (16)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 13:59:48 11/13/06 (15)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 22:58:54 11/17/06 (14)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 08:50:46 11/20/06 (13)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 11:12:10 11/21/06 (12)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 02:29:01 11/22/06 (11)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 05:54:22 11/23/06 (10)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 09:43:31 11/23/06 (9)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 14:21:56 11/23/06 (8)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 16:36:58 11/23/06 (7)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 11:13:37 11/25/06 (6)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 18:22:50 11/25/06 (5)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - Pat D 18:15:15 11/27/06 (4)

Other sources of information - morricab 09:05:17 11/29/06 (0)

Re: I'm just not sure about one thing - morricab 07:32:33 11/29/06 (2)

Do you listen that loud? - Pat D 13:57:44 11/29/06 (1)

Re: Do you listen that loud? - morricab 09:11:29 11/30/06 (0)

Misstatements? - E-Stat 18:49:56 11/08/06 (3)

Re: Misstatements? - Pat D 15:16:06 11/09/06 (2)

Feel free to interpret the data as you please - E-Stat 15:41:20 11/09/06 (1)

Why don't you use the more accurate NRC data? - Pat D 22:27:51 11/09/06 (0)