In Reply to: Steve is right... posted by Berlin on May 14, 2006 at 03:47:53:
Hi,The one problem I have with his final note.
SACD is in no way a technical sucess. When compared to a WELL IMPLEMENTED CD Player and a CD engineered to the limits of what the format can manage in terms of sonic quality I have so far failed to observe anything that SACD does better.
I agree that few CD Players are of the neccesary quality and fre CD recordings engineered to the required standards, but equally, few SACD Players are engineered to the neccesary level of quality where they approach the best CD Players in terms of sound quality and few SACD's that contain mainstream music are engineered any better than their CD counterparts.
Finally, compared to high sample rate 24Bit PCM the DSD format is pretty bad. In a comparison of strictly recording methodes of DSD vs 16/48 & 24/96 PCM compared to the mike feed DSD was not substantially closer to the mike feed than 16/48 (there was a clear and relaibly audible degradation) but 24/96 on the other hand appeared to remove any appreciable difference at least in the context of the studio's setup.
Add to that the simple fact that 24/96 PCM is trivial to edit while DSD is a major PITA to edit and you can see easily why few studio's ever bothered with DSD recording and why most SACD recordings where sourced one way or the other from PCM Masters anyway.
Ciao T
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- I do like Reference Recordings HDCDs when decoded - Teresa 16:40:20 05/14/06 (1)
- I even like them without HDCD decoding.... - Thorsten 16:46:19 05/14/06 (0)
- "failed to observe anything that SACD does better" - Robertc88 11:55:41 05/14/06 (6)
- Re: "failed to observe anything that SACD does better" - Thorsten 12:28:41 05/14/06 (5)
- Curious As To Whether You Attend Live Performances - Robertc88 15:19:22 05/14/06 (4)
- pretty regulary at the RFH - Thorsten 15:43:04 05/14/06 (3)
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- Re: For me, anyway, sitting 10th row center... - Robertc88 15:08:23 05/15/06 (0)
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- For those reasons alone, he is ineligible....... - theaudiohiffle 16:35:16 05/14/06 (1)
- EXACTLY!!! (nt) - Allen Wright 04:06:21 05/15/06 (0)
- Mr Lang Will Chime In Eventually - Robertc88 12:20:31 05/14/06 (0)
- Re: except on one thing....You haven't heard good SACD - fmak 04:19:29 05/14/06 (20)
- Re: except on one thing....You haven't heard good SACD - Thorsten 05:05:36 05/14/06 (19)
- "SACD is a distanct second to a cheap vinyl setup" - Robertc88 12:13:32 05/14/06 (0)
- SACD is a distanct second to a cheap vinyl setup... - Allen Wright 11:59:16 05/14/06 (15)
- Allen say what you will about the Xindak SCD-2 but it is more realistic and enjoyable SACD player than the stock 9000ES! - Teresa 17:04:38 05/14/06 (1)
- No contest - a stock 9000ES is near unlistenable IME. - Allen Wright 04:24:45 05/15/06 (0)
- Re: SACD is a distanct second to a cheap vinyl setup... - Thorsten 12:24:40 05/14/06 (12)
- Re: SACD is a distanct second to a cheap vinyl setup... - stvnharr 20:02:02 05/15/06 (4)
- Re: SACD is a distanct second to a cheap vinyl setup... - Thorsten 00:42:04 05/16/06 (3)
- SACD Players And Bang For Buck - Robertc88 03:43:26 05/16/06 (1)
- serious level matching ... - TBone 08:06:16 05/16/06 (0)
- Oddity cleared up (nt) - stvnharr 01:15:24 05/16/06 (0)
- Re: SACD is a distanct second to a cheap vinyl setup... - fmak 02:51:27 05/15/06 (1)
- Re: SACD is a distanct second to a cheap vinyl setup... - Thorsten 03:50:00 05/15/06 (0)
- Re: SACD is a distanct second to a cheap vinyl setup... - sacdsucker 14:44:42 05/14/06 (3)
- Yes. Some things are done better by vinyl, others by CD. It's a preference. - SalD 12:28:27 05/15/06 (0)
- It's a "vinyl thing". Vinyl folks like the vinyl sound. GUESS WHAT?!:-)... - SE 05:20:04 05/15/06 (1)
- It's the music on the LPs! Most well cared for Vinyl DOES NOT have pops or ticks, though there is some surface noise. - Teresa 15:01:15 05/15/06 (0)
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- Re: except on one thing....You haven't heard good SACD - fmak 07:01:48 05/14/06 (1)
- Re: except on one thing....You haven't heard good SACD - Thorsten 07:32:44 05/14/06 (0)