Hey, its no longer April Fools... you can quit now :) [nt] - Steve Cortez

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Topic - More confirmation that Sony knows what they are doing, from sources other than Sony and Philips. - Teresa 04:40:20 04/02/06 (72)

Nothing in this life is perfect. PCM has its flaws, so does DSD - crooner 00:34:52 04/03/06 (6)

I could use new strings on my Guitar, it still plays and sounds fine though - Teresa 03:48:45 04/03/06 (5)

Teresa do you still have your old CDs? - crooner 18:58:43 04/03/06 (2)

Re: Teresa do you still have your old CDs? - No all have been sold here, on AudiogoN and eBay - Teresa 20:04:06 04/03/06 (1)

Error in above post. - Teresa 01:05:44 04/06/06 (0)

Teresa you should try the new Squeezebox 3 - crooner 16:41:37 04/03/06 (1)

I'll pass thanks! (nt) - Teresa 20:19:32 04/03/06 (0)

Just for fun, I implemented the algorithm I posted earlier in Excel - Christine Tham 15:53:15 04/02/06 (4)

Third example: Sine wave at 1kHz at 64fs - Christine Tham 16:24:27 04/02/06 (2)

you do realize that the range of your algorithm... - tunenut 16:33:07 04/02/06 (1)

Actually, it's not *my* algorithm, but it does assume the input is normalised to -1 to 1 (nt) - Christine Tham 16:36:29 04/02/06 (0)

Here's another example - Sine wave at 20kHz at 64fs - Christine Tham 16:13:25 04/02/06 (0)

Re: More confirmation that Sony knows what they are doing, from sources other than Sony and Philips. - Dave Kingsland 14:17:54 04/02/06 (13)

It was a good try -- really, it was! - Charles Hansen 19:46:18 04/02/06 (11)

Charles you also cannot ignore the inverters of DSD and pretend to know more. - Teresa 19:52:35 04/02/06 (10)

OK...it's about time to 'agree to disagree'.... - Chris Garrett 20:47:39 04/02/06 (7)

Digital Techno-Harpies Might Just Fly the Coop!... - Waldteufel 13:52:11 04/04/06 (0)

Yes Chris why not close this thread as it's three people against the inventors of DSD and I'm stuck in the middle! - Teresa 20:59:59 04/02/06 (5)

Re: Yes Chris why not close this thread as it's three people against the inventors of DSD and I'm stuck in the middle! - azure 07:11:05 04/03/06 (4)

That's when the Sony guys came out to refute that paper, but claimed it was really 'quasi-8 bit'.... - Chris Garrett 19:52:38 04/03/06 (3)

Re: That's when the Sony guys came out to refute that paper, but claimed it was really 'quasi-8 bit'.... - Beauregard 23:38:37 04/03/06 (2)

Re: That's when the Sony guys came out to refute that paper, but claimed it was really 'quasi-8 bit'.... - graemme 16:27:12 04/04/06 (1)

Thank you! And no need to bother with the reference... - Beauregard 22:52:48 04/04/06 (0)

I give up Teresa -- you're right. I'm an "ass". - Charles Hansen 20:19:36 04/02/06 (1)

He gave a technical writer the raw materials to write the White Paper, yes - Teresa 20:46:30 04/02/06 (0)

These are Sonyâ€™s rules not mine I didnâ€™t invent DSD, that's between you Dr. Yoshio Yamasaki and Sony. - Teresa 18:55:22 04/02/06 (0)

Hey, its no longer April Fools... you can quit now :) [nt] - Steve Cortez 06:29:06 04/02/06 (45)

So Frank and Tunenut were playing an April Fools joke on me causing me to do all this research? - Teresa 06:42:41 04/02/06 (44)

Re: So Frank and Tunenut were playing an April Fools joke on me causing me to do all this research? - azure 08:38:43 04/02/06 (43)

Thanks so much that is very good to know! - Teresa 08:58:48 04/02/06 (42)

Here's a pdf file to read - tunenut 10:00:22 04/02/06 (41)

What is wrong with you? - Charles Hansen 10:16:50 04/02/06 (40)

This one didn't disagree with Sony either! (nt) - Teresa 19:14:51 04/02/06 (0)

I honestly don't know - tunenut 10:52:53 04/02/06 (38)

the pdf you provided "A Brief Introduction to Sigma Delta Conversion does not disagree with Sony, in fact it: - Teresa 19:24:38 04/02/06 (37)

please examine the block diagrem in Figure 1 - tunenut 19:28:21 04/02/06 (36)

I prefer text but I am looking at the Figure 1 right now - Teresa 19:47:41 04/02/06 (35)

The DAC in the diagram.. - Frank.. 00:08:09 04/03/06 (2)

Frank I read about this that the best performace is when you use the same DAC for both recording and playback. - Teresa 04:03:35 04/03/06 (1)

It would. - Frank.. 04:45:22 04/03/06 (0)

and there's your problem right there - tunenut 20:29:55 04/02/06 (31)

so in that case nowhere in that pdf does it discuss - Teresa 20:50:15 04/02/06 (30)

sorry this time I really am done - tunenut 21:02:40 04/02/06 (29)

Yes I have but I am only the go-between here, it is you against the designers of DSD. - Teresa 21:33:14 04/02/06 (0)

BTW a blast from the past - tunenut 21:32:17 04/02/06 (27)

Do you remember it because Demery proved you wrong in the same breath he said you were right? - Teresa 21:50:38 04/02/06 (26)

Re: Do you remember it because Demery proved you wrong in the same breath he said you were right? - Dave Kingsland 06:08:36 04/03/06 (20)

Curious, so why are they not the same thing? - Teresa 06:56:19 04/03/06 (19)

OK here goes the ultra simple version - tunenut 09:53:58 04/03/06 (18)

Re: OK here goes the ultra simple version - Teresa 00:14:44 04/05/06 (10)

you are almost there - tunenut 06:39:51 04/05/06 (8)

As I have said before it is not my propositions (I am in the middle) It is you not agreeing with these other pdf files. - Teresa 16:38:07 04/05/06 (1)

BTW one more point - tunenut 09:17:20 04/05/06 (6)

As I said before I don't have any misunderstanding that is between you and the writers of the pdf's and other documents. - Teresa 16:48:21 04/05/06 (5)

Re: As I said before I don't have any misunderstanding that is between you and the writers of the pdf's and other docume - tunenut 17:00:15 04/05/06 (4)

Finally; logic sans ego...thanks for pulling the weeds(nt) - Waldteufel 11:02:52 04/13/06 (0)

DOUBLE WOW!! - Metralla 21:14:47 04/05/06 (0)

WOW! - Charles Hansen 20:41:53 04/05/06 (1)

I think it's about beaten to death - tunenut 21:18:16 04/05/06 (0)

Still not correct.. - Frank.. 06:35:10 04/05/06 (0)

Very nice explanation! - Charles Hansen 21:46:19 04/03/06 (6)

thank you - tunenut 08:50:40 04/04/06 (2)

You are a moron :-) - Christine Tham 22:30:16 04/04/06 (1)

LOL! - Charles Hansen 20:37:58 04/05/06 (0)

Agreed - both of you have been very helpful - Metralla 05:55:03 04/04/06 (2)

Ditto...Even if Teresa didn't learn anything...I did; nt - Pacman 12:47:24 04/04/06 (1)

I learned there are two trains of thought on this issue and I have decided to accept neither one - Teresa 16:53:45 04/05/06 (0)

Demery is full off marketing junk. - Frank.. 23:46:37 04/02/06 (4)

Frank I no longer care. The engineers can argue all they want. (nt) - Teresa 16:59:32 04/05/06 (3)

I'm pretty sure the engineers aren't the ones who are aguing. - Charles Hansen 22:45:41 04/05/06 (2)

Not according to the Internet - Teresa 23:43:44 04/05/06 (1)

Sounds good to me - Charles Hansen 07:55:58 04/06/06 (0)

Follow Ups

Hey, its no longer April Fools... you can quit now :) [nt] - Steve Cortez 06:29:06 04/02/06 (45)

So Frank and Tunenut were playing an April Fools joke on me causing me to do all this research? - Teresa 06:42:41 04/02/06 (44)

Re: So Frank and Tunenut were playing an April Fools joke on me causing me to do all this research? - azure 08:38:43 04/02/06 (43)

Thanks so much that is very good to know! - Teresa 08:58:48 04/02/06 (42)

Here's a pdf file to read - tunenut 10:00:22 04/02/06 (41)

What is wrong with you? - Charles Hansen 10:16:50 04/02/06 (40)

This one didn't disagree with Sony either! (nt) - Teresa 19:14:51 04/02/06 (0)

I honestly don't know - tunenut 10:52:53 04/02/06 (38)

the pdf you provided "A Brief Introduction to Sigma Delta Conversion does not disagree with Sony, in fact it: - Teresa 19:24:38 04/02/06 (37)

please examine the block diagrem in Figure 1 - tunenut 19:28:21 04/02/06 (36)

I prefer text but I am looking at the Figure 1 right now - Teresa 19:47:41 04/02/06 (35)

The DAC in the diagram.. - Frank.. 00:08:09 04/03/06 (2)

Frank I read about this that the best performace is when you use the same DAC for both recording and playback. - Teresa 04:03:35 04/03/06 (1)

It would. - Frank.. 04:45:22 04/03/06 (0)

and there's your problem right there - tunenut 20:29:55 04/02/06 (31)

so in that case nowhere in that pdf does it discuss - Teresa 20:50:15 04/02/06 (30)

sorry this time I really am done - tunenut 21:02:40 04/02/06 (29)

Yes I have but I am only the go-between here, it is you against the designers of DSD. - Teresa 21:33:14 04/02/06 (0)

BTW a blast from the past - tunenut 21:32:17 04/02/06 (27)

Do you remember it because Demery proved you wrong in the same breath he said you were right? - Teresa 21:50:38 04/02/06 (26)

Re: Do you remember it because Demery proved you wrong in the same breath he said you were right? - Dave Kingsland 06:08:36 04/03/06 (20)

Curious, so why are they not the same thing? - Teresa 06:56:19 04/03/06 (19)

OK here goes the ultra simple version - tunenut 09:53:58 04/03/06 (18)

Re: OK here goes the ultra simple version - Teresa 00:14:44 04/05/06 (10)

you are almost there - tunenut 06:39:51 04/05/06 (8)

As I have said before it is not my propositions (I am in the middle) It is you not agreeing with these other pdf files. - Teresa 16:38:07 04/05/06 (1)

BTW one more point - tunenut 09:17:20 04/05/06 (6)

As I said before I don't have any misunderstanding that is between you and the writers of the pdf's and other documents. - Teresa 16:48:21 04/05/06 (5)

Re: As I said before I don't have any misunderstanding that is between you and the writers of the pdf's and other docume - tunenut 17:00:15 04/05/06 (4)

Finally; logic sans ego...thanks for pulling the weeds(nt) - Waldteufel 11:02:52 04/13/06 (0)

DOUBLE WOW!! - Metralla 21:14:47 04/05/06 (0)

WOW! - Charles Hansen 20:41:53 04/05/06 (1)

I think it's about beaten to death - tunenut 21:18:16 04/05/06 (0)

Still not correct.. - Frank.. 06:35:10 04/05/06 (0)

Very nice explanation! - Charles Hansen 21:46:19 04/03/06 (6)

thank you - tunenut 08:50:40 04/04/06 (2)

You are a moron :-) - Christine Tham 22:30:16 04/04/06 (1)

LOL! - Charles Hansen 20:37:58 04/05/06 (0)

Agreed - both of you have been very helpful - Metralla 05:55:03 04/04/06 (2)

Ditto...Even if Teresa didn't learn anything...I did; nt - Pacman 12:47:24 04/04/06 (1)

I learned there are two trains of thought on this issue and I have decided to accept neither one - Teresa 16:53:45 04/05/06 (0)

Demery is full off marketing junk. - Frank.. 23:46:37 04/02/06 (4)

Frank I no longer care. The engineers can argue all they want. (nt) - Teresa 16:59:32 04/05/06 (3)

I'm pretty sure the engineers aren't the ones who are aguing. - Charles Hansen 22:45:41 04/05/06 (2)

Not according to the Internet - Teresa 23:43:44 04/05/06 (1)

Sounds good to me - Charles Hansen 07:55:58 04/06/06 (0)