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In Reply to: RE: e is usually for electric field, b is for magnetic field. posted by geoffkait on July 06, 2023 at 14:30:01
Ans: expectation bias... We all have it, and that is why we have to keep things 'scientific' and truly technical. Metaphysics is so easily misleading.
John Dyson
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If it was expectation bias, wouldn't the expectation to be the "damned thing" wouldn't work? Beside I suspect you would be the first to say controlled blind tests are designed to eliminate or minimize bias from the test.Why would you characterize it as metaphysics? There are almost always scientific explanations for everything. The challenge is finding them. That's what the scientific method is for, no?
When you say we need to keep things scientific what it sounds like is you are closed minded and refuse to discuss anything you deem "unscientific." Who made you the guardian of all science?
Allow me to quote a paragraph from Zen and the Art of Debunkery introduction,
"Science seems in many ways to be treading the weary path of the religions it presumed to replace. Where free, dispassionate inquiry once reigned, emotions now run high in the defense of a fundamentalized "scientific truth." As anomalies mount up beneath a sea of denial, defenders of the Faith and the Kingdom cling with increasing self-righteousness to the hull of a sinking paradigm. Faced with provocative evidence of things undreamt of in their philosophy, many otherwise mature scientists revert to a kind of skeptical infantilism characterized by blind faith in the absoluteness of the familiar. Small wonder, then, that so many promising fields of inquiry remain shrouded in superstition, ignorance, denial, disinformation, taboo . . . and debunkery."
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All I know is that talking about E's and 'Ms on CDs that aren't really affected doesn't make much sense. (There is some chance of a static charge on the aluminum, but won't have an effect when there are no ECC errors.) There'd likely have to be quite a static charge to affect the ECCd data (the ECC is spread around, so the correction is pretty effective.)
No ECC error changes, then any audible change is impossible. PERCEPTION might change, but perception has a mental component.
John Dyson
I realize it might not make sense. So what? In this hobby a lot of things don't make sense. You say it's impossible. I say it's possible. You haven't done the experiment so I win. Try to be like the little engine that could. I think I can, I think I can....
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All of audio is about perception, only partially supported by physical reality. The rest is imagination and processed signals from the hearing process. I do the physics, DSP, comp-sci & pure EE engineering stuff side, and try to avoid anything to do with the variables assocated with the human 'wetware', including the 'transducer', the environment where the transducer resides, and the neural processes including the human mind.
You can say something sounds better, and that is okay. I am stuck with physics so must determine that the difference is in the perception. THAT IS OKAY, that is the way that the world works... I just do the engineering, very difficult engineering. People other than me can do the 'packaging' and 'perceptual' matters -- I don't like to do that stuff, and happy to stay away from those specific aspects of a project (now and in the past.)
John Dyson
I hate to judge before all the facts are in, but it appears you are the victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect when it comes to audio. I don't think I've seen anyone use the appeal to authority quite so much and so fervently as you.
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I am making no appeals to anyone except the only authority about physics -- physics itself. I am not taking ANYTHING away from your claims about perception.
Egos and secondary agendas become obvious.
John Dyson
What's outside Pleasantville?(Trying to stay calm and keep from revealing he was from the future) I'm from a town where the roads don't end at the edge of town. It's not like Pleasantville. There are some places that the road doesn't go in a circle. There are some places where the road keeps going.
Keeps going?
Yeah, it all just keeps going.
I equate perception with hearing. You are playing a semantics game. When a person listens to music he cannot be aware of subconscious influences on his sensory perceptions.
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