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In Reply to: RE: Futhermore posted by 13th Duke of Wymbourne on June 26, 2023 at 15:15:30
Let's start there. Controlled by whom? On what test system? Who are the listeners? You probably didn't get the memo that negative results of a controlled blind test don't mean anything.Controlled blind tests, the favorite tool of the earnest pseudo scientist. "I bet it can't pass a DBT." Of course they never actually do DBTs themselves, it's always someone else's job.
"The best laid plans of mice and men oft go awry." Old audiophile axiom
Burn the witch! Burn the witch!
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I wrote in this thread that I don't care about the protocol, I simply forward the concept of finding out if people really can differentiate between things they say they can when they control the test.
Basically, Audiophilia is about saying 'I am great at listening'. Reviewers especially so - so let's test them.And what if people ace the test - wouldn't that be a positive thing for the audiophile world? The naysayers would have to shut up and go home. Come on Geoff, get on board, you have nothing to lose but your self doubt!
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A real skeptic would have tested it himself ages ago. You fall into the category of bogus skeptic and tweak denier.
I am a real skeptic. I tested the Green Pen many years ago AND developed the world's first and only true scattered light absorbing system. You are three paradigm shifts behind the power curve.
Your scattered light absorbing system sounds interesting but I won't ask for any evidence it works.
Hearing is believing. Seeing too, since it can be applied to BluRay players, dvd players, and CD players for better SQ and PQ. The best invention since Skippy peanut butter.
There's better peanut butter out there too.
What are you now, about 120? Or are you speaking to me from beyond the grave?
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I don't care about the protocol just something that recognizes listeners are very prone to confirmation bias and have poor aural memories.
The Placebo effect is straight out of the Pseudo Skeptic's Handbook. Give me a break. They say DBTs eliminate bias. Are you backing down from your own protocol? LolWhat wrong with getting a placebo effect if it improves the sound? What's the difference? Take two placebos and see me in the morning.
If bias was at play, wouldn't your expectation be the tweak was a hoax and therefore you'd get negative results? Hel-loo! I love it when pseudo skeptic throw around terms, as if.
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I deliberately avoided the three-latter acronym that must not be said in front of audiophiles. Just decide on a protocol that everyone agrees on (as if). Yes, I am truly skeptical by nature so my confirmation would likely steer me to no difference for many things that I am skeptical about. That's the whole point of controlled listening tests - to eliminate the bias.
The correct, though less common, use of the term "pseudoskepticism" refers to those who declare themselves merely "skeptical" of a concept, but in reality would not be convinced by any evidence. Common targets of this kind of pseudoskepticism are global warming,[1] evolution, AIDS, GMOs, vaccines, and even religion. This essentially is cloaked denialism, as there is a vast amount of real evidence which these pseudoskeptics willfully ignore. Saying "I am skeptical of X" seems more reasonable than saying "I don't accept X and never will regardless of the evidence", even if the latter is more accurate.
Real skeptics are always prepared to change their positions based on new evidence, consistent with the scientific method. An example is Einstein's Cosmological Constant, which has gone through a number of revisions as to whether it applies or not[2] — thus making skeptics who changed their mind on that issue when the scientific consensus changed, prima facie real skeptics. Clearly, if people change their mind on a topic, that is a positive defense against an accusation that they will not change their mind on that topic.
In the exchanges we had about CD transports, and the green pen, I think I was a clear and open as I could be as to why I didn't accept your blanket statements. I like to think I am open minded enough to accept things if they do work even if the reason is not clear. Though it is likely that if I don't expect a difference I am less inclined to try it but that is not the same as never accepting anything regardless of the evidence. Talking of evidence, your stand is always that you don't need to prove anything so, by your definition, I can't be a pseudo-skeptic because there will never be any evidence.
A word I like, but never get much chance to use, is specious. This means superficially plausible, but wrong. That is how I feel about your products but I don't know for sure they don't work because there is no evidence. So, let me coin the word pseudo-specious for your products.
Nt
And That's the problem with me just "trying it" It works both ways, the believer will most likely hear a difference and the naysayer will not.
Hence, why we have calibrated test procedures to remove thus human bias.
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