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In Reply to: RE: audiophile circuit breakers for use in US? posted by boodles on May 20, 2021 at 08:15:13
Hmmmmm ... audiophile circuit breakers ... how about audiophile drywall ...
or audiophile carpet (is wool better than synthetic fibre?) ... or
audiophile window coverings and/or window blinds ... there's just no end
to this number of things that could be called/made "audiophile", it seems.
Whether or not you can observe a thing depends upon the theory you use. It is the theory which decides what can be observed. - Albert Einstein
Follow Ups:
The notion of an audiophile-quality device is a valid term to determine the intrinsic sonic value, the performance benefits of a particular device or method that is deemed superior to what is considered a more ordinary device/method, most often products that are inferior in a manner that may pass signal fine or otherwise fulfill the electrical requirements of a circuit, but tends to sound less satisfactory vs. a superior product/method to the more sophisticated listening skills of a typical audiophile. There are plenty of products that are not intended for the audiophile marketplace that can be deemed audiophile-quality. What makes this term possible is often the consensus of many listener's reports, or just one man's finding, which is what audiophilia is all about.
You should be a speech-writer for a politician. :)
In most cases, "audiophile quality" is simply an off-the-shelf part with its identity concealed and then marked up multi-thousand percent.
Dave.
You're dusting Duster.... Wait for it!.....
It sucks to get old. It really sucks to get old and bitter.
In most cases? You are seriously misinformed due to a lack of participation in the hobby craft that Tweakers'Asylum is intended for. Posters in this specialized forum don't deserve to be hassled by those who simply wish to denigrate their interests. In most cases, you serve no purpose other than as the resident troll, with a few good points now and then. What a pity.
DUSTED!
It sucks to get old. It really sucks to get old and bitter.
Now and then?? :) I'm making progress!
Dave.
Kind of an unhelpful response on a forum that is supposed to be for tweaks...
It's a curt but meaningful reply.
"Audiophile quality" is a meaningless expression that may or may not have any relation to 'actual' quality.
If you premise a query using terms like that, prepare to get responses that are all over the place. :)
Dave.
No such item as an audiophile circuit breaker. A circuit breaker is a circuit breaker. In fact, an after market circuit breaker does not meet any US electrical codes.
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A circuit breaker is a circuit breaker????
Any good electrician will tell you that is nonsense.
In fact, I'm currently updating the load-center in my house specifically to support more contemporary breakers for current code and to alleviate safety concerns.
Dave.
As a former electrician, please think about this.
A circuit breaker is a UL approved device. What that means is if anything, and I mean ANYTHING happens to your home or related property, your insurance company is going to hold you solely responsible. That will includes all financial and personal (being personally sued) responsibilities. As well as even being criminally responsible for property damage and any bodily harm (death) sustained to anyone else.
You better think hard on this before going forward. That could turn out to be a life changing audiophile grade breaker.
you should see what's posted on Cables airtime!
the premise: hard wire your gear to a circuit branch no GFI required
good gawd! if brains were dynamite there's some wet firecrackers out there
best regards,
It's all fun and part of the hobby if people what to explore more esoteric tangents.But when people start rewiring breaker boxes, house wiring and installing non UL devices, that's where the hobby ends and bad judgement begins. Now we're talking about property damage, insurance issues, possible litigation and even possible bodily injury.
I'm not exaggerating. The five years I spent as an electrician I worked three home repairs that resulted in deaths. One child from faulty pool rewire, one adult laborer from outdoor under ground wire and one child from a faulty home installed heater wiring.
Addendum: Wow! I can't even explain how I felt after reading that post????
BTW the adult laborer's family did sue
Three house fires and one business fire from home repairs.
A little warning to those of you living in houses that were built before 1975. Aluminum wiring was used in many of them. It's use was quickly outlawed because of it's high fire potential from stress breaks and over heating even at it's intended amperage rating. You may not see it because it was used extensively as "feeder" lines in attics, crawl spaces and walls.
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I just hope the crew over there reads your post!
a few decades ago I accompanied an electrician friend of mine to a friend of his sister's [very old] house where they were having problems, the lights in their 'upstairs' didn't work ... we went up there to trace the fault and found it [really fast!] in a partially 'improved' attic space where they had set up a dormer without actually doing one if you know what I mean
the wiring up there was 'free air' on ceramic stand offs, that led into a 'gerry rigged' improvised closet at one end built from lap board including the door ... that's where the burnt through wire was that failed and it's a damn good thing that it did!
opening the door the wires ran in very close parallel at the top where the roof peaked ... the wires ran close enough together that the homeowner thought they had an easy peasy clothes hangar there ... we found a little row of scorched wire coat hangars and garments dangling from the remaining wire, with a few hangars and crispy shirts laying on the floor in a little pile
we just looked at each in amazement that there wasn't a fire up there, and he asked them 'weren't you blowing fuses?' ... of course they were but just kept changing them for a bit ... up until the wire burnt through
in that location, up and away, out of sight out of mind in that super dried out attic space any fire would have had an excellent start before even being noticed and quickly involved the whole damn house
man, were they ever lucky ... it's still scary to even think about
you never forget seeing those type things
best regards,
I was actually laughing when I read the part about the hangers. Thanks!
And don't lick the black wire!
I suspect you replied to the wrong post.
But yes, your points are fine, and good advice for anyone considering this sort of "tweak."
Dave.
Nonsense. All new circuit breakers are tested the same by companies outside of the circuit breaker manufacture and meet current USA codes including UL testing.
BTW- I am a 'good' electrician.
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The electrician doing my Federal/Stab-lock panel replacement would disagree with you.
He's a terrific (obviously better than you) electrician, who just happens to be my cousin. 'Been at it for many years.
Dave.
Dave, you have opinions of my lack of electrical expertise, yet know zero about me and who I am. I managed & built power generation plants for Detroit Edison.Although not my first pack, Federal Pacific circuit breakers are approved by UL.
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Silly strawman arguments. I suggest to do a little research on the Stab-lock breakers and you will understand the context of my comments.
Regardless, you know zero about my electrician or who he is. Nor what his background is. Hello! Nor what my electrical background is. Hello again!
I actually don't 'need' an electrician. I could do the work satisfactorily myself, (albeit slower), but I am not certified.
Get your shit together if you're going to post further.
Dave.
Your electrician built power generation plants? I think not, but surely adequate for home electrical. He would be clueless to certify a 250KV transformer among dozens of other disciplines.Home type circuit breakers are either clip-on or stab lock. Buy a SQ D commercial panel with screw connecters if you have an issue.
Old Federal Pacific circuits breaks were sold without UL certification. New are certified, but again not my first pick. There is no such thing as a 100% reliable circuit breaker. Fuses are 100% reliable with no known failures not responding to an overload.
BTW- Dave, I do have my act together no matter what rubbish you post! Good by.
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Ah, so a breaker is not a breaker now? It seems you did a little googling, finally. Progress.
Fuses, power generation plants, 250kV transformers. Yet more strawman deflections, none of which have anything to do with the topic at hand, nor my statements.
But I'm the one posting "rubbish?" Classic! :)
Dave.
Another rubbish play on words. 'A circuit breaker is not a circuit breaker'- stupid. I am more technical & have more engineering skills than the average electrician, but I should not post it when you are stating I am an idiot? Per Dave it requires no skills above the average electrician to build and start up a power generation plant. Your something else..........
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BTW- all my posts referred to new, not old circuit breakers. All new circuit breakers are UL tested. Or, you have reservations with UL testing Dave. Ridiculous.
Now I have reservations regarding UL testing??? :)
All I said was all circuit breakers are not created equal. A general statement that is clearly correct. (Even the resident tweaker Duster wouldn't disagree with that.)
You were the one who started assuming and qualifying regarding new/old.
But I understand your shtick now. :)
Your initial post should have been a reply to the OP and not my post, since I don't think we disagree there is no such thing as "audiophile quality" circuit breakers.
Also, I suggest to quit editing your posts and just own them.
Dave.
Never qualified old. Only reference is to new circuit breakers.
Bummer; that's what I figured. Thanks for clarifying
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