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I am currently installing four dedicated AC lines and going by the brief reviews thus far on this forum, have more or less decided on the Oyaide R1 outlets. I would like users to confirm if the ' signature ' of these outlets is neutral, without any over or under-emphasis of any part of the tonal range ( I am not inferring a skewing of frequency response by other Oyaide outlets, although to some minute degree, this might actually be taking place - what else accounts for tonal shadings ? ).
If the R1 can indeed be considered to be more neutral i.e. possessing less of a signature, then do the 004 plugs and IEC's represent the best companions for these outlets, in theory at least ?( i.e. they don't need balancing in any way such as the SWO-XXX appear to with the 079's ).
Follow Ups:
Actually the R1 outlets were created to match their toplines Oyaide F1/M1 plugs. These are a level above the P004 plugs, and a level expensive too.
Per the importer, the P-and-C-004's were essentially made to complete the family line and match materials and platings. Notice the opaque, smoky color of the plastic barrel, and the fact that the barrel is identical in shape and construction to the 037's, 046's, and 079's. The black, molded portion of the P-and-C is what is inside the M1 and F1. This is similar in concept to the Acrolink aluminum-and-carbon fiber connectors....the internals are identical to the 046's.
It would be most interesting to compare the Acrolink connectors (with P-and-C innards) with the M1 & F1, connected to identical cables. Then it would be down to comparing the outer shells themselves. I know I won't be doing this anytime soon. :--]
Duster? Kenster? Your valuable listening services are needed. :--]
"It would be most interesting to compare the Acrolink connectors (with P-and-C innards) with the M1 & F1, connected to identical cables. Then it would be down to comparing the outer shells themselves. I know I won't be doing this anytime soon. :--]"
I use the Golden Sound Acoustic discs on all of my AC connectors, male and IEC, due to the very beneficial decrease in material resonaces when applied.
I have A/B'd Marinco/Oyaide AC male connectors with/without their outer shells and there is very little discernable difference. The biggest detriment to an AC plug is the body in which the blades/ground pin are molded into. The Oyaides are miles ahead of the Marinco's which sound monotonous when AB'd with an Oyaide.
I have even gone so far as to remove the molded body itself and to solder the blades/ground pin to the power cord wires which was a VERY revealing experiment!! Only the Oyaides did the least amount of "sonic damage" when compared to no body at all. Adding a GS Acoustic disc to the outer barrel brought the Oyaides the closest to no body/outer barrel at all :-)
I am in no way associated with GS or Oyaide, just one VERY satisified customer and I can say this.........The GS Acoustic discs R a highly recommended AC tweak that provides very worthwhile benefits to AC plug/IEC bodies. They can be used in other applications as well, try one on your subwoofer dustcap :-)
Cheers,
~kenster
My last comment was tongue-in-cheek, but you have gone much further than I would have imagined, and I admire your efforts greatly!
This experimentation is truly what high-performance audio is all about. Bravo.
The family is called R1,F1, and M1
and certainly not R1,P004, C004
already the nomenclature do not match ;-)
The C004/P004 is created as a lower line to the F1/M1 as their costs may be too prohibitive
The M1/F1s are indeed the brethen of R1s
....but the nomenclature doesn't match the physical nature of either the plugs nor the outlets. Nomenclature is not their strong suit, fortunately. If the "family" was derived from the use of beryllium copper substrate, you might have something. Oh wait! P-004 and C-004 don't match up with anything else!!
Look inside the F1 and M1 and tell us what you find.
To the best of my knowledge, the M1, F1, and R1 are Oyaide's Premium Products Beryllium line. However, while the M1 and F1 shells are no holds barred, cost no object designs, the R1 shares the same body design as Oyaide's rather affordable SWO Ultimo AC outlet line.
The P-004 and C-004 are Oyaide P/C AC connector line models. The 004's are more affordable versions of the M1 and F1, since the 004 shells share the same design as the other P/C AC connectors (046, 079, 037, 029). While the 004's do have the same platinum (0.5) and palladium (0.3) plated beryllium copper blades as the M1 and F1, the 004 shells are the same as the P/C AC connector line, which makes the P-004 and C-004 much more affordable than the premium M1 and F1.
If you want the best and money's not the concern, the F1/M1/R1 are the best-performing matching triplets, followed by the P/C004s
;-)
....and further, to split more hairs, other than the color, the R-1's build is identical to the other Ultimo's. One could rename them Ultimo Models 1, 2, 3, and 4, which might have made more sense.
And excepting the beryllium copper substrate, the 004's are no different than the other connectors, albeit with differing platings.
Which is why I suggested a mythical shootout between the like-plated innards with differing, higher-performance shells. This would take a certain amount of labor, along with a good amount of listening time.
First, BeCu is great stuff for sonics. I've had it in some ICs made for me and they're a head above silver or copper both, IMO. So when they came out with this as the substrate as an improvement on the usual copper or bronze stuff, then I was quite excited (sadly, my pocket was depressed!)
Second, Acrolink uses carbon fiber in those barrels, I think. I got the idea for CF experimentation from that and those of us who have been playing with CF sleeving of plug barrels are happily impressed with the results.
So I have a hunch that I can give the probable answer to your questions without the experimentation, but I cannot afford the experiment to prove or disprove that.. LOL
Any manufacturers out there who'd care to take up my challenge? Oyaide and Acrolink, wanna send me the goods to test this out? I'm waiting....
Indeed....materials matter. As do particular combinations of materials, and I have been espousing the concept of materials interaction (in high-end audio performance) for many years. Much of our success, and failure in creating component synergy rests with these interactions, some (I believe) even on a nano level. What you're doing, bart, is where the rubber meets the road.
And yes, the Acrolink barrels are made of machined aluminum and carbon fiber, addressing both resonance and noise issues. I could take a good guess at the outcome of the comparison as well, but I wanted to suggest further experimentation (by individuals) with the possibilities. The cabling used with the connectors contributes to the materials interaction as well, additionally adding their own resonance signature (per Al Sekela). Particular "recipes" seem to be better than others, and the beat goes on.
Alan, you wrote: "...where the rubber meets the road." Are you hinting at rubber now? LOL
I've used rubbers in my youth, but they simply dull the experience.
Hey, true story of my first lesson in electronics in Jr. High: I asked the shop instructor how you were supposed to tell the "male" from the "female" connectors he kept mentioning. He sat down on the front of his desk, made an almost fist with one hand (hole through the fingers meeting the palm), took the other hand's index finger and inserted it in and out of the hole. Wry smile on his face, you can bet!
Hey Guys,
I've been using SWO-GX outlets for some time, and found them to be better suited to my system than were the SWO-XXX outlets (the SWO-XXX were too forward/lean for my system, and the relative "warmth" if you will of the GXs were a much better match).
I've been considering trying an R1 in place of the GX at the wall outlet that I run my balanced PC from (the PC powers all but my subwoofer). I use an Elrod EPS-3S on the PC, and the Elrod uses a Furutech FI connector.
Are any of you willing to venture a guess as to how the R1 will synergize with the Furu FI vs. how the GX synergizes with it? Based on my experience with the SWO-XXXs should I not consider an R1 and stay with the GX?
Any and all opinions will be appreciated. TIA
An expert is someone who knows no more than you but is from out of town.
-Mark Twain
From a subjective POV, I find the R1 Beryllium AC outlet to sound quite neutral, and the 004 Beryllium AC connectors to be ideal mates, since I find they bring out the best in the R1 (much better than mating the R1 with 079's, 046's, 037's IME).
..............try a search in Tweakers Asylum with "R1/P-004" as the keyword and peruse all the info :-)I have found that the R1/P-004 is THE most neutral/musical combo on the market today, barring the Acrolink units!!!
Keep in mind that my findings are with the R1/P-004 cryo'd and cooked and mounted in an Oyaide WPC-Z wall mount system.
Cheers,
~kenster
004's? If i didn't want to assassinate my wallet?
Pardon my ignorance but what exactly is Neotech NEAP-3001?
A search on Google produced exactly zero hits :-0
Cheers
Cooincidentally the Neotech NEP-3001 is exactly what Ive mated a P-004 and C-004 with and is burning in right now. Sounds good already with only about 50 hrs on it.
I assumed this was well known stuff, pardon the persumtion.
That looks to be a very well designed power cable.
I have not had any experience but have read/heard reports that the CryoMax lll from Cryo-Parts is really good cable.
I plan on replacing the captive PC on my Balanced Power Conditioner and have been thinking of going with the CryoMax lll with an Oyaide P-004 on the receptacle end.
Cheers,
~kenster
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