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In Reply to: RE: well posted by DC STEVE on June 28, 2007 at 08:17:30
i'm almost 100% sure i have the multi-wire branch circuit. i said "dedicated", but then he showed me the 10g romex, showed me the one neutral/ground that would be shared, and i said "ok". so i dont think i can go back to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You said "Dedicated" obviously you did not get Dedicated. You are not an electrician you do not know exactly what wiring method is involved for a dedicated branch circuit. You do know that a dedicated branch circuit has its own dedicated Hot, Neutral, and Equipment grounding conductor.
Did you tell him you wanted the three dedicated circuits fed from the same, leg, or side, or LINE, of the electrical panel? He knows a multi-wire branch circuit can not be fed from the same Line.This guy charged you, I believe you said, $170.00 per hr. He represented himself as an electrician knowledgeable of audio equipment.
I would give him a call. I would tell him you get a ground loop hum when you use both circuits from the 2 gang outlet box. I would then say, "I asked you to install dedicated circuits?".... then pause allow him to answer...If he says, "That is what you have, that is what I wired".... Then ask him if that is what you have that means each dedicated circuit has its own dedicated hot conductor, neutral conductor, and equipment grounding conductor...... Wait for his response before you say anything else.To be honest with you, the guy probably is a good electrician. But he is not an Audio savvy electrician. No electrician with a background in Audio would install a multi-wire branch circuit, two 120V separate branch circuits.
For what he charged you, you could of looked in the Phone book Yellow pages and hired a NECA/IBEW electrical contractor for far less money. A contractor licensed, Bonded, and insured.Post back if you call the guy that did your electrical work. Let us know what he said.
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If the DC in Steve's moniker means District of Columbia, then he would not be able to hire an NECA/IBEW electrical contractor for less than $170 and hour. I live in Arlington, VA and, coming from SC, am still pissed off every time I get a quote from a contractor of some type. Needless to say, I end up doing a lot of the work myself. The latest quote was to install a gas water heater (in a location 5 feet from the old one) for approximately $2,000. Give me a freakin' break!
Louis
If so, a lot of the cost is for standing around waiting for the inspector.
They wanted $800 to do some water piping that would have cost about $150 in Greenville, SC. Evidently there are a lot of people around here with a lot of money who pay such prices, because none of the contractors care whether they have your business or not--they are plenty busy without you.
I don't know how reliable the building inspector is in your area. We have a good setup here, where you can make an inspection appointment through an automated phone system. The inspector showed up right on time and signed off the job quickly.
If your contractor has to wait for a day or two for the inspector to show up, I can understand the high bid.
If they were building anything else into the price related to the inspection, then they didn't itemize it, and, in fact, made it to look like the fees specific to the work being done. Ultimately, some "waiting around" money could be built in, but nothing was said of it.
i'll call and talk to him. i've spent so much on this, the thought of spending more is not appealing at all. i went with a consumer rated electrician, not just anyone our of the yellow pages, i thought that would mean i get what i need. obviously not. i'm kind of upset by the whole thing. bit what's the big deal w/ just using the two lines and calling it a day? i mean, shouldn't i cut my losses here?
Steve As for the guy that wired your branch circuits I would not pay him another dime......... I contend he should know the difference between a dedicated and a separate circuit.As for the 3 wire multi-wire branch circuit you have now, if you only use one of the two circuits that would basically be a dedicated circuit. So you have two dedicated circuits. Just make sure the one you use is fed from the same Line as the single duplex dedicated circuit. As for the odd ball separate circuit.......see if the electrician that did the job will at least come to your home and either move the circuit in the electrical panel to the SAME breaker as the good circuit, or disconnect the oddball circuit from the breaker and at the 2 gang outlet box rework the two duplexes so they will be fed from the good circuit. This will give you a dedicated 4 plex.
As for connecting your computer to the other separate circuit imho you power amps will suffer, imo. Computers are filthy beasts when it comes to the junk they put back on the AC line. Remember on a 3 wire multi wire branch circuit only the unbalanced load will return on the neutral conductor to the source. That means the rest of junk on the current of the computer would be in series with the power supplies of your power amps. Kind of defeats the purpose of the new circuit don't it?
ok, i think i can get him back to move that separate but not dedicated circuit onto the same leg. is there a way he can fish a new ground wire for that separate circuit, to make a dedicated circuit?
as for the computer... not sure what to do here, i'm setting up a music server. where do i put this? outside of these separate/dedicated circuits?
sigh...
If you can plug it in to another circuit, that would be the best. If you have to use your spare circuit, isolate the computer with the best filter you can find.
You may also want to plug a damper such as the Quiet Lines unit into the spare circuit if you are going to use it, or switch its breaker off if you are not.
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