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In Reply to: RE: I just bought a quad of JJ 6CA7 today for my Cronus Magnum posted by AbeCollins on March 03, 2023 at 09:39:09
I now have a custom built ST-70 I just posted about separately, and I chose the 6CA7s from the builder/seller. So now I have a quad of JJ EL34IIs from the Tube Depot in my CMII and a quad of JJ 6CA7s in the ST-70.The 6CA7s sound great in the ST-70 and I'm very happy with the EL34IIs in the CMII in their respective systems, but I definitely plan to swap them to see how each tube type sounds in the other system. I look forward to hearing your impressions. I note that I have efficient and easy load speakers in both systems, so your Thiels likely respond a bit differently?
I do not like the JJ 12AU7 in either my CMII or my Rogue RP-5 preamp, and I replaced them with reissue Gold Lions, which are great. But I'm very happy with these JJ power tubes and a big fan of JJ now. Not being Russian is a good start, lol, but they're really nice sounding too. Now I'm thinking of trying their KT88, KT77 or KT66 at some point soonish as well.
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Yes, it will be interesting to compare notes on these tubes in the CM. I look forward to it.I've been running my more efficient Tannoy Definition D500 towers lately (91dB 6 Ohm nom.) and have the power hungry Thiel CS2.4 speakers stored in the closet.
When I ran the Cronus Magnum on my Thiels I really needed every once of extra power so I was pretty much limited to using the KT120 power tubes. The EL34 / 6CA7 were noticeably compressed sounding vs the KT120. But this is no longer the case with the Tannoys which allows me a broader choice in power tubes for the CM.
As an aside I emailed Rogue a couple days ago. Here' my email exchange with Nick:Hi Abe,
We have never used he 6CA7 in production for any of our products, so I don't know how their longevity will compare to the EL34 tubes. The GL KT77 is a nice sounding tube which is very similar to the EL34 but should provide longer tube life. The recommended bias setting for KT120's is 35mA and it would be 30mA for EL34, KT77, and 6CA7 tube types. Of the 3 tubes you have listed, I would expect the KT120's to provide the best tube life in the Cronus.
Best Regards,
Nick Fitzsimmons
Rogue Audio Inc.
545 Jenna Drive
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From: Abe Collins
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 11:49 AM
To: info rogueaudio.com
Subject: EL34 / 6CA7 / KT120 Bias for Cronus Magnum ?Hello -
I have an older Cronus Magnum (not the II or III) and have been happy running it with a quad of EH 6CA7 tubes or Tungsol KT120. I have a few quick questions I was hoping you could answer.
Is the 6CA7 considered to be a more "rugged" EL34? I heard something to that effect many years ago. Will the 6CA7 have a longer tube life in the Cronus Magnum vs the EL34?
Your BIAS recommendations for:
- EH 6CA7
- JJ EL34
- Tungsol KT120I've been biasing them all at 35ma but this may not be quite right. Which of the above tubes should last the longest in my Cronus Magnum?
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Cronus Magnum / Benchmark - Polar Opposites? Sort of:
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I run Heresy IIs with the CMII and am running Devore Fidelity Super Nines with my new ST-70, which are 8 ohm nominal and around 91 db efficient. Both systems have great dynamics and solid bass with those amps and the tubes in them. Still, I might go for some JJ KT88s for the CMII at some point given the tube life caution from Nick.
Your email exchange is consistent with my call with Nick last week, though I'd not specifically asked about the KT77.
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I didn't mention the KT77 to Nick but he offered it up as a nice sounding tube that's more rugged than the EL34. I've never heard one.
News Flash!
I ordered my JJ 6CA7 from the TubeDepot on Friday and they arrived Sunday afternoon. I specified FedEx 2-days [which is 2 business days] but I suspect they got here so quick because the main FedEx hub is in Memphis TN and TubeDepot is in Memphis.
Time to play.
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