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In Reply to: RE: If you can really really hear a difference between cable/wire posted by Frank Sol on April 14, 2009 at 22:04:14
You are more likely to hear the differences between cables in a highly resolving system. However, I do not believe that more expensive cables will necessarily sound better than cheap cables. Megabuck interconnects, speaker wires, and power cords are one of the biggest scams in high-end audio.
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"You are more likely to hear the differences between cables in a highly resolving system."
I don't really understand this at all. I say your are far more likely to hear cable differences when i/o characteristics of the connected components are a poor match or when one or both connected components are poorly designed.
I can't on any level understand why a better quality component would more likely reveal differences between interconnects than a lesser quality system.
I can't on any level understand why a better quality component would more likely reveal differences between interconnects than a lesser quality system.
That's like saying " I can't on any level understand why a better quality camera would more likely reveal differences between lenses than a lesser quality camera".
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Really the lens would have to be the recording or the source. Interconnect cables would be the space within the light travels.
All light must pass through the lens and the quality of result can only be degraded. Such is also the case with cables. Those which pass the greatest information contain the lowest dielectric constant.
rw
I agree that more expensive cables might sound worse...but they might sound better as well. All cables sound different...and the difference depends also, on the component it is used with. One must audition each cable in their system, however, there is definite value in selecting the correct for your system cable. To say that Cardas and Nordost sound the same is wrong
I recently tried the new Kimber 8TC with my system ...it didn't work well (thin, strident, no weight). Then I tried the AudioQuest Type 4 ....improved, but not there yet. Then I went to a simple 12-gauge Ultralink and all was right.
I'm not saying any of these cables are good, bad or that one sounds better than another. But, they sure all sounded different in my system with one providing the best synergy.
reelsmith's axiom : Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
"I recently tried the new Kimber 8TC with my system ...it didn't work well (thin, strident, no weight). Then I tried the AudioQuest Type 4 ....improved, but not there yet. Then I went to a simple 12-gauge Ultralink and all was right."
I've been posting here about Kimber 8TC cable for a few years now. Not to bash Kimber as I do enjoy their KCAG interconnects, but I too find the 8TC speaker cables to be lacking in bass and overall somewhat "thin" sounding. I've tried this speaker cable on various gear including different SS and tube amps and different speakers. Same overall result.
I later tried relatively inexpensive Audioquest Slate speaker cables (often on sale bulk and terminated to order by Audio Advisor). This was a huge improvement over the Kimber 8TC and the Slate are much cheaper.
So I agree, there ARE differences in cables BUT more expensive cables are not necessarily any better than the cheaper cables.
I'm presently using DH Labs Air Matrix and Kimber KCAG interconnects and my speaker cables have been Analysis Plus Oval 9's for the past several years.
I paid $1200 for used NBS Monitor I biwire speaker cables, which is a lot of money for me, and definitely borders on "crazy". However, improvement they brought to sound was not by any means subtle, and is totally comparable to component upgrade.
Edits: 04/15/09
The very high end niche cable manufacturers thrive on the fact that your question cannot be answered. ;-)
At what point do you feel pain and feel that you've paid too much and perhaps have been scammed ?
Have you tried your $1200 NBS Monitor biwire speaker cables against several much cheaper alternatives? When you have, and when you find that alternative cable at 1/10th the price, you'll understand. But does that mean you were scammed? Please let us know.
PS Audio Plus
PS Audio Transcendence (?)
Z-Cable biwire (don't remember model)
Acoustic Zen Satori Shotgun
VD Nite II biwire
NBS Monitor I biwire
This is what I went through, each subsequent iteration being improvement on the previous.
Regarding "1/10 the price" - it hasn't been my experience, and neither it's yours. Get back to us when you actually do a comparison, instead of just blathering away.
I'm not questioning your personal experience or your hearing. How could I?
But in general, higher priced cables do not equate to better sound. That's a pretty general statement not picking on anyone's particular choices.
And YES, I have tried and compared many cables over the years so why is that so far fetched to you? And YES, I have found some cables at 1/10 the price of others that do indeed sound better.
$1200 ia an impressive amount.
So, the question is, would that $1200 have been better spent towards a better system?
I don't really have a signature line
Was I wrong?
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Yup. Move along...
In your opinion, does your moniker have anything to do with your point of view on audio?
...unless cables are somehow not part of the system and therefore the improvement they brought negated.
reelsmith's axiom : Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
The last time I changed cables I heard a huge difference. My MIT 70 terminators and 339 tube terminators made a huge difference in sound and when I swapped the interconnects out on both the Onkyo and the Outlaw I noticed the difference immediately, The Kimbers were less resolving less musical. I bought those cables when aa had them at 50 percent off.
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