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In Reply to: RE: "bling factor" posted by mlsstl on February 02, 2025 at 06:50:02
... is the drug of choice for the syncopated psychopaths we sometimes call "audiophiles".
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And yet once one closes their eyes and uses ears alone, it the acoustic, electromechanical parts that govern the radiation and those are what tickles the eardrums and preserves or transmogrifies the original signal.
The thing that makes selling loudspeakers to musicians easier is they listen to hear how well their instrument is reproduced, in hifi no one or very few have that first hand reference and can only go by what they think the recording should sound like and what they imagine the exotica does to the sound.
It is simple to reproduce recognizable sounds and instruments, it is another thing entirely to make it sound like those instruments are directly in front of you without loudspeakers as the source.
"And yet once one closes their eyes and uses ears alone, it the acoustic, electromechanical parts that govern the radiation and those are what tickles the eardrums and preserves or transmogrifies the original signal.
The thing that makes selling loudspeakers to musicians easier is they listen to hear how well their instrument is reproduced, in hifi no one or very few have that first hand reference and can only go by what they think the recording should sound like and what they imagine the exotica does to the sound.
It is simple to reproduce recognizable sounds and instruments, it is another thing entirely to make it sound like those instruments are directly in front of you without loudspeakers as the source."
We're getting a little off-topic here, but I wanted to reply to your post.
As a musician (trumpet), I've played in brass quintet, big band, concert band, and orchestra.
"The thing that makes selling loudspeakers to musicians easier is they listen to hear how well their instrument is reproduced,"
I can assure you that it goes much deeper than that. Musicians who have performed in multiple ensembles for many years, acquire a knowledge of the sound of many instruments - not only their own, as well as a keen sense of balance across the ensemble and the sound of the venue and how it affects how loudly or softly we play.
With regard to sound reproduction via loudspeakers...
"it is another thing entirely to make it sound like those instruments are directly in front of you without loudspeakers as the source."
Absolutely. And several factors contribute to that imaginary "soundstage". The recording, the speakers, and the room. For the recording: Miking technique, reverb, EQ, limiting, delay, panning, and how they're used are also critical factors.
Two of the best sounding systems I've heard are Magico S7's in the Magico listening room, and Siegfried Linkwitz's system at his home. Both systems could make you believe that various instruments were "there, or there, or there". Both systems, but especially Linkwitz's, presented the impression that you could walk up to a player at a certain position! Almost holographic.
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As a musician (trumpet), I've played in brass quintet, big band, concert band, and orchestra.Horns are one of the tough ones as they have a mix of harmonics and non-harmonic sounds. My partner at work also plays trumpet(s), it is an interesting instrument that can go from smooth to very edgy (my terms haha).
"The thing that makes selling loudspeakers to musicians easier is they listen to hear how well their instrument is reproduced,"
I can assure you that it goes much deeper than that. Musicians who have performed in multiple ensembles for many years, acquire a knowledge of the sound of many instruments - not only their own, as well as a keen sense of balance across the ensemble and the sound of the venue and how it affects how loudly or softly we play.
I play bass but i had a good example of that with St Louis Symphony orchestra when after auditing the other choices, the conductor said those, no substitutes. Afterwards they invited us to come to the star wars presentation where they played the music to the movie and wed had center balcony seats, very nice evening!.
https://www.prosoundweb.com/powell-hall-adds-danley-for-st-louis-symphony-orchestra/
With regard to sound reproduction via loudspeakers...
"it is another thing entirely to make it sound like those instruments are directly in front of you without loudspeakers as the source."
Absolutely. And several factors contribute to that imaginary "soundstage". The recording, the speakers, and the room. For the recording: Miking technique, reverb, EQ, limiting, delay, panning, and how they're used are also critical factors.
Yes, it's that area where selling speakers is not a problem in fact some musicians offer to help. We are not a marketing driven company but these kinds of videos work for musicians and the recording area, i wish they were more interested in living room stereo at work.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=458675960625466
Two of the best sounding systems I've heard are Magico S7's in the Magico listening room, and Siegfried Linkwitz's system at his home. Both systems could make you believe that various instruments were "there, or there, or there". Both systems, but especially Linkwitz's, presented the impression that you could walk up to a player at a certain position! Almost holographic.I used to make electrostatic speakers but it was repairing my old boss's esl-63's in the late 90's that gave me goose bumps and made a light come on in my head. For a couple days after work, i sat on the floor with the speakers at leg length and listened, it was amazing and permanently effected my view about how speaker radiate and how strong a phantom image can be.
I wanted that plus deep bass and to allow say +20dB more.
Edits: 02/05/25
of my Sound Lab speakers are adorned with the highest quality flat black Polane enamel from Sherwin-Williams just like these U945s getting heat treated at the factory. ;)
Not a small stature worker on the third step and frames still above his head
Truely planar presentation!
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with 45 degree radiation angle.
If want to increase either horizontal or vertical coverage, they can be assembled in arrays. For many years, Ray Kimber demoed his recordings at RMAF using twelve 922s. Triples for each channel . :)
The effortless performance of large square footage of membranes was a memorable experience.
Also the weight of the amplifiers at one venue required them to be spread around as floor deflection was of a mild concern
Magnifique !!!
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