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In Reply to: RE: Close posted by E-Stat on January 06, 2025 at 07:57:33
Not just surface area. Large woofers typically go lower than smaller ones, no matter how many of the latter you parallel up.
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I've heard both the Roger Russel speaker and the Scaena. The Russel is superb.
So are the Scaenas although I suspect the best bass came from the original bass speaker design, not the later versions. The partners had another partner they stopped listening to and changed the bass design because they didn't understand how it worked. It looked conventional but wasn't.
The best, most impressive bass I ever heard was at Harry Pearson's house with a pair of Scaenas with I think 3 15" woofers of the original design. Harry was playing a cut from a movie Lost World that had a real volcano included that he said went down to 16 Hz. The bas was awesome and tight as can be. It was so strong that Harry's and the designer's eyes were round like saucers as if the woofers were going to be launched into the room. They weren't. I've heard the recording on other large systems that supposedly went below 20 Hz and it wasn't even close.
The Russel is superb.
Never heard them, but on paper a coherency freak like me would most likely agree. Just not crazy about running the full range signal through a gaggle of op amps. Maybe with Mac amps, it wouldn't matter. ;)
So are the Scaenas although I suspect the best bass came from the original bass speaker design, not the later versions.
Never heard Porzolli's Pipe Dreams either. I have a couple Jurassic Park soundtracks and should revisit that one! My favorite bass recording heard at Sea Cliff was Flying Dragons and Leaping Tigers from Yim Hok Man (HP gave me a copy). The SLAMM! on that recording is quite impressive. When I stayed there and listened alone with the giant Alon Exotica Grand Reference, I confess that I reduced woofer tower output a tad on the Dahlquist active crossover. After telling him that, he left my setting at least for my stay. :)
Hello E-Stat:
In early December I took possession of Mark Porzilli's newest speaker masterpiece, the Grand Note.
It is bi-emissive with a separate tweeter bar with 54 - 1" drivers five inches in front of 20 - 3" midranges. The same configuration is duplicated on the back. All totaled, there are 296 drivers.
The Grand Note is a continuation of what Mark started with the Pipedreams, then the original Scaena, then the Note, then the Note SE, and now the Grand Note. They are about 5" wide, 20 or so inches deep and somewhere around seven feet tall. I may be a little off as I have yet to actually measure them.
If you are interested, call Sam Laufer for more information. What I can tell you is as good as the Pipedreams and Scaena was, the Grand Note is, in my opinion, even better.
Happy Listening,
Paul
But Mark didn't attack the deep bass situation in his new speaker as was done on the Pipe Dreams and original Scaena speakers. They used a bass system similar to one McIntosh used in the 1970s where the woofers are used significantly below bass resonance to control bass overhang.
And not to be crass, but what was the price? I can't find anything on the internet about them.
Did you go with the SVS subs?
north of $100k including subs given previous statement products.
His profile lists RELs.
As for subs, I still have REL G1 Mark II's. No longer made but still sound really great. I'm looking into whether or not I want to replace the subs. Maybe, maybe not. As far as I know, Sam will include a sub, probably an SVS model, with the purchase of a set of speakers. Since I have a stereo pair of subs already, I didn't need them nor were they ever discussed. Frankly, I'm still working on dialing the speakers in. I got them in early/mid December and almost immediately, the holidays and family visiting, going out of town, etc. So I'm really just still playing around with them.
As to the cost of the Grand Notes, I don't believe Sam has decided on a final retail price. I would not be surprised at something in the $100K neighborhood though.
But they sure are an amazing sounding speaker.
is a single sub always localizes itself in the real world. I think Duke LeJeune takes the best approach with The Swarm.
I use a pair of subs with the HT system and found that diagonal positioning works measureably better in my room and requires less corrective EQ to deal with room modes. Using Emotiva "virtual copper" eliminates signal cable and allows for greater placement freedom and experimentation.
Now that you have dipoles, you might consider more diffusion on front wall even though you have plenty of distance with which to experiment for smoothest bass. Looks like your placement is close to HP's "Rule of Thirds" as is mine. Your room benefits from non-parallel walls like mine but has an unfortunate even width vs length multiple. I completely lucked out with my 25x16 room providing a nearly Golden Ratio (or Fibonacci sequence) of 1.56 which offers nice linearity at the bottom. Third octave plot in gallery.
Like to see your new toy!
Only find a pic of the Note that sure looks like the IDS. Interesting choices with the Grand Note. I'd be curious to see and hear them.
I'm good with my full range dipolar Sound Lab U-790s . :)
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